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To: Cronos
Lets see:

1) No.
2) No.
3) Probably.
4) He permitted it, he did nothing to prevent it.
5) He permitted it, he did nothing to prevent it.
6)Yes.
7) It was part of his divine plan from the foundation of the earth.
8) It was part of his divine plan from the foundation of the earth.

I answered all of your questions. You answered NONE of mine. Instead of answering you asked questions.

Do you think you might want to go back and take a stab at a few of the questions I asked?

Here they are again:

If God knows something is going to happen, what are the odds that it will not happen?

Who is to say he doesn't cause them? I suspect that the calamities that befall us are all a part of God's eternal plan, don't you?

The Bible says that Judas was chosen "that the prophecy might be fulfilled." I believe that. Do you?

Why did Jesus choose you?

1,618 posted on 01/15/2006 9:44:58 PM PST by P-Marlowe
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To: P-Marlowe
Do you think God can't see those myriad possibilities?

1) No.  --> No as in God can't see the myriad possibilities?

And do you think that these little decisions affect God's overall plan?
2) No.   --> Good, so you believe in free will.


Who is to say he doesn't cause them?

3) Probably. --> So God causes evil?

I suspect that the calamities that befall us are all a part of God's eternal plan, don't you?

4) He permitted it, he did nothing to prevent it.  --> Now, you're sitting on the fence.  Does he cause the calamities?  According to your idea of a plan, he does.

So, you say that God caused the Tsunami in 2004?
5) He permitted it, he did nothing to prevent it.  --> Now, you're sitting on the fence.  Does he cause the calamities?  According to your idea of a plan, he does.

That He caused the Holocaust? That He caused the Killing Fields in Cambodia?
6)Yes.  --> So, God caused tha Holocaust and the genocides around the world?

And yet you believe in the idea of an "elect"?
7) It was part of his divine plan from the foundation of the earth.   --> as shown above, this is a wrong guess, no better than Mohammmed's idea of a mish-mash religion

why did He choose Peter?
8) It was part of his divine plan from the foundation of the earth.  --> as shown above, this is a wrong guess, no better than Mohammmed's idea of a mish-mash religion.  Interestingly, the Islammics believe in pre-destination too.

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Your questions:

  1. If God knows something is going to happen, what are the odds that it will not happen? God Knows all the various possibilities and all eventualities.  Anything that can or will or has happened is known to God.  That's different from God forcing people to sin or not.
  2. I suspect that the calamities that befall us are all a part of God's eternal plan, don't you?  No.  God does not plan for evil.  He KNOWS it, but that does not mean He ORDAINS it.
  3. I don't believe that any Christian (lives a happy and joyous life and never doubts?) on earth gets to fall in that category. Why should all of them? Are you questioning God's motives?  You state the concept of an "elect", so, your first statement is at loggerheads with this
  4. The Bible says that Judas was chosen "that the prophecy might be fulfilled." I believe that. Do you? God KNEW Judas would betray Him, God did not force Judas to do so.
  5. Certainly it wasn't because of anything they had done. It was simply part of his plan. Why did Jesus choose you?  God does not pre-destine a person to be damned or be chosen.  Jesus chose me because I accepted His grace.

1,635 posted on 01/16/2006 12:02:43 AM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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