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To: HarleyD
Addedum: Before I get the question about how can miracles be done outside of God, please remember that the Egyptian magicians were able to imitate some of the miracles of God through Moses.

You read it wrong -- they were able to imitate the end results, they were "magicians", they did not work miracles. As you understand the term "magician", does David Copperfield work miracles? No. Ditto for the Egyptian magicians

Addendum to my addendum: Calvin and Chrysostom both mentions the miracles of Judas. This is rather interesting. Here is one case: "Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness." Matt 10:1

You are making false, incorrect interpretations and assumptions into Scripture. What does the sentence say? That Jesus gave them authority to work miracles. Does it say that ALL (or any of them) did so? Does it specifically say that Judas carried out miracles? ARen't you twisting and misinterpreting Scripture to make it say what you want to? And these aren't even good twists -- anyone who can see and read can point them out as fallacious and illogical.
1,611 posted on 01/15/2006 8:36:37 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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To: Cronos
You are making false, incorrect interpretations and assumptions into Scripture....Does it say that ALL (or any of them) did so? Does it specifically say that Judas carried out miracles?

Mat 10:1-8 Jesus summoned His twelve disciples and gave them authority over unclean spirits, to cast them out, and to heal every kind of disease and every kind of sickness. Now the names of the twelve apostles are these: The first, Simon, who is called Peter, and Andrew his brother; and James the son of Zebedee, and John his brother; Philip and Bartholomew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Alphaeus, and Thaddaeus; Simon the Zealot, and Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed Him. These twelve Jesus sent out after instructing them: "Do not go in the way of the Gentiles, and do not enter any city of the Samaritans; but rather go to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as you go, preach, saying, 'The kingdom of heaven is at hand.' Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse the lepers, cast out demons. Freely you received, freely give.

In a word, yes.

1,646 posted on 01/16/2006 3:30:07 AM PST by HarleyD (Joh 6:44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on)
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