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To: Bohemund
Well other than a place name I think it's safe to assume that it always means confusion. The very name itself derives from Baal, and its sins against God are legendary. Everytime it is used in the bible its confused spirituality is to be considered, whether its actual or spiritual Babylon, don't you think?

Whether Peter was in Rome, in Jerusalem or wherever, I think he was making a comment on the state of the inhabitants. We are even now in spiritual Babylon, here in this world. It never goes away. You have to be in God's presence for that to happen. However, I don't think Peter was making the comment lightly, and he was in God's presence, and we should reflect on what he did mean and pray for enlightenment, because I think it matters.

1,444 posted on 01/13/2006 6:25:50 PM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: zeeba neighba
Well other than a place name I think it's safe to assume that it always means confusion. The very name itself derives from Baal, and its sins against God are legendary. Everytime it is used in the bible its confused spirituality is to be considered, whether its actual or spiritual Babylon, don't you think?

Sorry to be so blockheaded, but you haven't answered my question: where else in the Bible does "Babylon" explicitly mean confusion?

Also, "Babylon" is not derived from "Baal." It is derived from "bab"--"gate" and "ili"--gods.

Whether Peter was in Rome, in Jerusalem or wherever, I think he was making a comment on the state of the inhabitants.
So Peter might have been in Rome after all!

We are even now in spiritual Babylon, here in this world. It never goes away. You have to be in God's presence for that to happen. However, I don't think Peter was making the comment lightly, and he was in God's presence, and we should reflect on what he did mean and pray for enlightenment, because I think it matters.
Well, I'm all for praying for enlightenment.
1,447 posted on 01/13/2006 6:42:59 PM PST by Bohemund
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To: zeeba neighba; Bohemund; kosta50; Kolokotronis; jo kus; annalex
The very name itself derives from Baal, and its sins against God are legendary.

That's silly. Babylon was originally a small Sumerian settlement (the real tower of Babel would have been one of the Sumerian Ziggurats, not the Akkadian, and this would have been in the cities of Uruk etc.), and even later, when it became Akkadian, they worshipped Sumerian gods.

Baal was a Canaanite god. secondly, his name was Hadad. "Baal" means Lord, so you would refer to God as Baal too -- as you'd call him Lord.

Everytime it is used in the bible its confused spirituality is to be considered, whether its actual or spiritual Babylon, don't you think?
No confused spirituality existed -- they clearly worshipped an evil, false god. The OLD Rome did, but Christian Rome triumphed over the false gods.
1,633 posted on 01/15/2006 10:55:43 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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