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To: zeeba neighba
Who says we are obstinately refusing the Lord?

Those who refuse to do things the way God has instituted them are refusing Him. There were some charecters in Numbers 16 who also thought they could do it better than Moses. If God says "This is the way I want it done", and you say, "well, I'd rather do it this way", what does that say about refusing the Lord?

The Vatican is built on a hill that was previously devoted to a pagan goddess. Popes are not followers of Peter ( and there is no record of him ever being in Rome, only in Jerusalem)but they are the political descendents of the vicars that ruled Rome, Pontiff Maximae.

LOL!!! What's your source, Jack Chick? I suppose the more you make Rome to be the worse of all evils, the easier it is for you to say, "God, ya see, I can't accept the way you did it through the Catholic Church. How about I build my own church?"

Regards

1,392 posted on 01/13/2006 4:10:18 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus
LOL!!! What's your source, Jack Chick

No, Malachi Martin, ever hear of him?

. Please give me biblical verses telling me exactly how the Lord instituted the Catholic Church. My bible seems to be missing that section

1,393 posted on 01/13/2006 4:15:28 PM PST by zeeba neighba
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To: jo kus; zeeba neighba
The Vatican is built on a hill that was previously devoted to a pagan goddess. Popes are not followers of Peter ( and there is no record of him ever being in Rome, only in Jerusalem)but they are the political descendents of the vicars that ruled Rome, Pontiff Maximae.

Hilarious!!! And other Churchs are also built on top of destroyed pagan temples. This doesn't signify a worship of the other deity, or else do you mean to say that the Muslim worshippers in the Dome of the Rock are actually Jews?

Popes are followers of Christ. They are successors to Peter. There is sufficient evidence from the 1st century of the Bishops of Rome referring to themselves as Peter's successors. Next, you're going to join the pseudo-scientists and claim that Christ never existed because there isn't a home-movie to prove it.

No "vicars" ruled pagan Rome. Republican Rome had two consuls and one Head Priest (Pontifex Maximus). Some Caesers and Augustii (or as people who don't know much woudl call them: Emperors) took the title of Pontifex Max too. but once the empire was Christianized, the title of head priest in Rome went to the leader of the Church in Rome -- to the bishop of Rome. This is not a political succession, rather a usage of words. They continued speaking Latin after they converted, so they called their priests, priest.
1,623 posted on 01/15/2006 10:17:25 PM PST by Cronos (Never forget 9/11. Restore Hagia Sophia!)
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