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To: Forest Keeper; Cronos; annalex; jo kus
We Protestants believe that God is in control of our lives, as we are His slaves to righteousness

Not "we" according to you, but only the "elect." In your religion, God does not love all people. He loves only some, just like humans do. Of course, since we can't imagine loving everyone as ourselves, you believe God can't either. If that is not humanizing God, I don't know what else is!

We certainly wouldn't put it like that. We would say that all of us deserve to spend eternity outside the presence of God

You are beating around the bush. Let's face it: biblical references that show that God wants to save all simply don't fit your idea of God, so you ignore them.

I said that God gave everyone a ticket and the instructions on which train will take them where -- salvation or damnation. If he died for all of us, He must have given all of us a ticket. But He doe snot decide on which train we will jump. WE do.

The Protestant belief is an error because it assumes that our decisions whether to cooperate with God's grace or not somehow threaten the accomplishment of God's plan, as well as the erroneous belief that God is unable to change His own Plan as He sees fit if he gives us free will. The free will is our ticket, a gift from God; it affects us, not God.

1,145 posted on 01/12/2006 9:10:04 AM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50
Not "we" according to you, but only the "elect." In your religion, God does not love all people. He loves only some, just like humans do. Of course, since we can't imagine loving everyone as ourselves, you believe God can't either. If that is not humanizing God, I don't know what else is!

Yes, only the elect. I pray that you're in! :)

As my Pastor has taught a thousand times, I do not have a religion, I have a relationship.

I don't view it so much as God loving some and hating others, although that is consistent with my other statements. I look at it as God hating sin. As all are sinful and unfit for heaven on their own merits, God through His mercy has chosen to save some, and, yes, others He passes by.

I never think of God in terms of what He can or can't do. He CAN do anything. I think of Him in terms of what He will or won't do, based on His nature and His promises.

You are beating around the bush. Let's face it: biblical references that show that God wants to save all simply don't fit your idea of God, so you ignore them.

I don't think it's been my practice to ignore any scripture put before me. A person may not like my comments, or sometimes I will admit that I don't know, but I don't think I ignore anything. I say that God gets only and exactly everything He wants. God certainly wants to save all of His elect. He authored this whole "existence" thing, and so He makes all the rules.

The Protestant belief is an error because it assumes that our decisions whether to cooperate with God's grace or not somehow threaten the accomplishment of God's plan, as well as the erroneous belief that God is unable to change His own Plan as He sees fit if he gives us free will.

By no means on either account. If God's plan was dependent on our decisions, as you seem to argue, then God's originally intended plan would be threatened because He would either have to work around us or change His plan Himself. I say that neither is the case.

Again, I don't come and say God CAN'T change His plan, I say He WON'T change His plan because He is God and would never need to.

1,382 posted on 01/13/2006 3:02:59 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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