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To: kosta50
Not "we" according to you, but only the "elect." In your religion, God does not love all people. He loves only some, just like humans do. Of course, since we can't imagine loving everyone as ourselves, you believe God can't either. If that is not humanizing God, I don't know what else is!

Yes, only the elect. I pray that you're in! :)

As my Pastor has taught a thousand times, I do not have a religion, I have a relationship.

I don't view it so much as God loving some and hating others, although that is consistent with my other statements. I look at it as God hating sin. As all are sinful and unfit for heaven on their own merits, God through His mercy has chosen to save some, and, yes, others He passes by.

I never think of God in terms of what He can or can't do. He CAN do anything. I think of Him in terms of what He will or won't do, based on His nature and His promises.

You are beating around the bush. Let's face it: biblical references that show that God wants to save all simply don't fit your idea of God, so you ignore them.

I don't think it's been my practice to ignore any scripture put before me. A person may not like my comments, or sometimes I will admit that I don't know, but I don't think I ignore anything. I say that God gets only and exactly everything He wants. God certainly wants to save all of His elect. He authored this whole "existence" thing, and so He makes all the rules.

The Protestant belief is an error because it assumes that our decisions whether to cooperate with God's grace or not somehow threaten the accomplishment of God's plan, as well as the erroneous belief that God is unable to change His own Plan as He sees fit if he gives us free will.

By no means on either account. If God's plan was dependent on our decisions, as you seem to argue, then God's originally intended plan would be threatened because He would either have to work around us or change His plan Himself. I say that neither is the case.

Again, I don't come and say God CAN'T change His plan, I say He WON'T change His plan because He is God and would never need to.

1,382 posted on 01/13/2006 3:02:59 PM PST by Forest Keeper
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To: Forest Keeper; annalex; Cronos; jo kus
Yes, only the elect. I pray that you're in! :)

Do you? Why? You believe that it's already been decided from all eternity and that nothing you do can change that. And I believe with all my heart that whatever happens to me will be merciful and just, for God is both. So I say "Thy will be done" in peace and in awe.

As my Pastor has taught a thousand times, I do not have a religion, I have a relationship.

Did it ever occur to you that the word relationship does not exist in the Bible (save for the gender-neutral or rainbow ones perhaps)? Did it ever occur to you that the word pastor means a sheppard? If so, then you are his sheep!

Are you following him or are you following your own intellect as all Protestants claim? If you follow your own interpretations, then he is not you pastor. Food for thought, but don't let me lead you there!

I think of [God] based on His nature...

Did it ever occur to you that the word nature is what we call essence? Now you will tell me that you know God's nature?

If God's plan was dependent on our decisions, as you seem to argue....

Where did I say that we can change His plan?

I said that God changes His plan if He sees fit. He is not limited as to the options available to Him. And all His solutions lead to the same end, regardless of us. He changes what happens to us, upon repentance (true repentance I mean, metanoia).

Again, I don't come and say God CAN'T change His plan, I say He WON'T change His plan because He is God and would never need to

And where do you find that in Scriptures that you may say what God will or will not do? Look up the word repent and tell me that He does not intercede on behalf of those who repent, by changing their destinies.

1,388 posted on 01/13/2006 3:45:03 PM PST by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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