[HarleyD]

Yup, that's the part. As you can see, bishop Minatios did not say anything St. Augustine did not say.

Honestly, in making such a statement do you even understand what Augustine is saying?

Augustine - 'God did not therefore choose the works of any one in foreknowledge of what He Himself would give them, but he chose the faith, in the foreknowledge that He would choose that very person whom He foreknew would believe on Him,—to whom He would give the Holy Spirit,”

Bishop Minatios - for He foreknows that the person will be good and of an obedient will.

These are two distinct views. Augustine believes everything comes from God including a person’s obedient will. Augustine plains says that God chooses man's faith. Bishop Minatios, with all due respect, is spouting the Pelagius heresy that believe man’s goodness is what saves him. Augustine would bop you on the head with his cane if he heard you say that about him.

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Augustine would bop you on the head with his cane if he heard you say that about him.

LOL. I've been reading up on Augustine. He was quite a wild young man. His conversion gives hope to the mother's heart of every rowdy son. 8~)

"Too late, have I loved Thee, O Beauty so ancient and so new, too late have I loved Thee! Thou wast with me, and I was not with Thee; I was abroad, running after those beauties which Thou hast made; those things which could have no being but in Thee kept me away from Thee. Thou hast called, Thou hast cried out, and hast pierced my deafness. Thou hast enlightened, Thou hast shone forth, and my blindness is dispelled. I have tasted Thee, and am hungry of Thee. Thou hast touched me, and I am afire with the desire of thy embraces." -- Augustine

[annalex]

Bishop Minatios, with all due respect, is spouting the Pelagius heresy that believe man’s goodness is what saves him.

Minatios says, "good and of obedient will". That means, God chooses those who would, per Augustine, "believe on Him".

[jo kus]

These are two distinct views. Augustine believes everything comes from God including a person’s obedient will. Augustine plains says that God chooses man's faith. Bishop Minatios, with all due respect, is spouting the Pelagius heresy that believe man’s goodness is what saves him. Augustine would bop you on the head with his cane if he heard you say that about him.

You are misreading the good Bishop. Either point of view is acceptable to Catholicism. The Bishop doesn't say (in your quote) that a person received grace because God foreknew that man would react positively (which, by the way, is NOT Pelagianism. You sure throw that word around a lot. It is the idea that man can come to God, even before initial justifying grace, by natural means.)

Regards