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To: HarleyD
These are two distinct views. Augustine believes everything comes from God including a person’s obedient will. Augustine plains says that God chooses man's faith. Bishop Minatios, with all due respect, is spouting the Pelagius heresy that believe man’s goodness is what saves him. Augustine would bop you on the head with his cane if he heard you say that about him.

You are misreading the good Bishop. Either point of view is acceptable to Catholicism. The Bishop doesn't say (in your quote) that a person received grace because God foreknew that man would react positively (which, by the way, is NOT Pelagianism. You sure throw that word around a lot. It is the idea that man can come to God, even before initial justifying grace, by natural means.)

Regards

1,064 posted on 01/11/2006 5:01:50 PM PST by jo kus
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To: jo kus

Bishop Minatios - "for He foreknows that the person will be good and of an obedient will."

According to the kind Bishop that is why God saves a person. I may be a lousy Bridge player but I can read.


1,069 posted on 01/11/2006 5:08:45 PM PST by HarleyD ("No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him..." John 6:44)
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