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To: I Believe It's Not Butter; sittnick; ninenot
As I understand it, the Polish National "Catholic" Church (no more Catholic than SSPX) in the United States is a schismatic Church with married bishops as well as married priests. The PN"C"C has purposely split off from the Roman Catholic Church and this bunch of schismatics in St. Louis at St. Stanislaus Kostka is doing the same thing. Archbishop Burke recognized that fact by excommunicating them. Good for him!

I am certainly NOT anti-Polish. I revered the late John Paul the Great and Cardinal Wysczinski (sp.?), Sister Faustina, all of whom managed to be both Polish and Roman Catholic. The witness of Polish Catholicism (the actual kind and not the schismatic "trusteeism" of PNCC and the formerly Catholic St. Stanislaus Kostka former parish in St. Louis) is wonderful. The devotion to the Black Virgin of Czestochova (sp.?) and the tradition of "going to the mountain" in times of national crisis is also admirable.

What is wrong in St. Louis is the abject refusal of obedience to Archbishop Raymond Burke as diocesan ordinary by a group of poisonously rebellious laity who have forgotten that Roman Catholicism is not a "nationality" religion but a universal religion. It is governed from the Vatican and from the diocesan chanceries and the parish is the lowest level of authority (when in communion with Rome and the diocese as St. Stanislaus Kostka most certainly is not). The Roman Catholic Church is a hierarchical religion and not some congregational anarchy.

Given their antiCatholic mindset, the utterly unjustified rebels of St. Stanislaus Kostka may as well join the PN"C"C or become independent Protestants of whatever other sort. It would at least make them more honest. I am not going to indulge the fantasy that there is Roman Catholicism without Roman Authority and in rebellion against Roman Authority and against Diocesan Authority. If you are PN"C"C, have a blast but don't lie to yourself by calling yourself Catholic.

The PN"C"C can also avoid hanging portraits of John Paul the Great because his religion and theirs were clean different things since he was Catholic.

When the PN"C"C is in charge of how long bishops serve in Purgatory, I feel sure we will have it on better authority than the non-existent authority of the self-serving excommunicati of PN"C"C.

I would have precisely the same attitude as to Irish, German, English, Scottish or Scots-Irish (each of my ancestry groups) pretenders claiming Catholicism while defying Rome or the diocesan ordinary. Or Braziliams or Argentinians or Mexicans or Zambians or Siamese or Japanese or Chinese "Patriotic Association" or .........

102 posted on 12/21/2005 12:18:30 AM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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To: BlackElk
The PNCC is no longer "schismatic". The USC"C"B Guidelines for the Reception of Communion say:
Members of the Orthodox Churches, the Assyrian Church of the East, and the Polish National Catholic Church are urged to respect the discipline of their own Churches.

They are not barred from Communion like all schismatics are, only asked to "respect the discipline of their own Church".

The rise of PNCC is the direct result of American Bishops' folly over material property. St. Stanislaus parish was founded over 120 years ago as independent property and it was to remain as such in perpetuity. The parish never received a penny of support from the diocese. If Burke asked me to give him my truck or house or get excommunicated, guess which one would I choose?

103 posted on 12/21/2005 3:37:52 AM PST by I Believe It's Not Butter
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