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The Rev. Chris Carpenter, pastor of Christ the King Catholic church in Mesa, said although the document speaks only about seminarians, "clearly it is sending a message that gay priests are unacceptable, not for what they are doing but for who they are."

He seems to not understand that what they do is not who they are. This has nothing to do with who they are (a child of God unfortunately in habitual sin) and everything to do with what they do (choosing to remain in that sin rather than repent and be made whole) If they identify as 'gay' then they are doing something that is immoral, contrary to church teaching, and anti-biblical.

43 posted on 11/29/2005 9:42:29 AM PST by John O (God Save America (Please))
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The identity of men such as this is completely consumed with being gay, not with being either a child of God OR a priest The Church is right to create a situation such as this, where more and more of these men will feel uncomfortable enough to want to leave. And a possible priest-shortage that might result from this is no cause for regret either. The Church already has a priest shortage, and clearing the decks for new, and totally orthodox, recruits will hopefully swell the ranks, not decrease them.


45 posted on 11/29/2005 10:39:49 AM PST by Rosie405
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To: John O; NYer; Salvation; saradippity; kstewskis; Rosie405; little jeremiah; TXBSAFH; Buck W.; ...
RE: The Rev. Chris Carpenter, pastor of Christ the King Catholic church in Mesa...

MASS FOR WORLD AIDS DAY TO BE CELEBRATED...
The Franciscan Renewal Center, 5802 E. Lincoln Drive in Scottsdale will celebrate a Mass of remembrance and healing in honor of World AIDS Day at 7:00 PM on Wednesday, November 30th.

Fr. Chris Carpenter, representing the Catholic Diocese of Phoenix HIV/AIDS Resource Committee, will preside. All infected, affected, or otherwise concerned individuals of any religious background are welcome to attend. For more information, please call the Franciscan Renewal Center at (480) 948-7460,

Gay and Lesbian ministry page info.
Given the context, is there something a bit unusual or inappropriate about the name of the "musical work" that is being offered? Hmmm?

Are they following the bishop of their diocese or are they following "Mahoney" [sic] - and maybe "sick" too.

Those familiar with the CASA and its history might wonder if perhaps these Franciscans will someday receive a letter from Benedict XVI similar to the one recently sent to the Franciscans in Assisi.

50 posted on 11/29/2005 12:16:40 PM PST by Phx_RC (Let's have an Apostolic Visitation for the employees and office staff of the USCCB.)
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To: John O
He seems to not understand that what they do is not who they are.

So sinning does NOT make us sinners?

58 posted on 11/29/2005 2:47:20 PM PST by TradicalRC (Searching Free Republic with lantern aloft for an answer...)
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