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To: outlawjake
I was in the church about 9 years.

Early on in the church it was asserted that scientology processing could cure everything.

They ran afoul of the FDA on that one!

During the time period I was in scientology it was A-OK with using medical drugs for treating physical conditions. There are even policy letters on how to adjust antibiotics for best results.

The dogma at that time was that the doctor would treat the physical manifestations of the illness, and the scientology auditor would help the client address the spiritual and mental factors "holding the illness in place".

The dogma further implied that there are no physical causes for mental illness, and scientologists believe that only they can effectively treat or cure mental illnesses. As a result, taking "psych drugs" is regarded as a BAD THING. Not only are you indicating that your crazy, you are trusting psychiatrists to cure you!

Psychiatrists are regarded as one of the ultimate sources of evil on earth. All psych drugs we invented to suppress or control people, etc.

"Street drugs" are also forbidden. LSD has its own special place in scientology drug lore. Taking LSD one time would permanently disqualify someone from joining the Sea Org. Hubbard believed that 'LSD crystals' would lodge in capillaries and break loose at odd and inconvenient times to cause flashbacks.

As to aspirin use? As far as I know there is nothing forbidding a Sea Org member from taking it. But, I don't know that for sure.

It's also possible there are some processes that current drugs in the system might interfere with.

For example, some scientology processes, if mis-run, can cause a headache, and correcting the error is the preferred method of addressing such pain. Taking aspirin, or any other pain reliever, would make it difficult to know when/if the correction was done correctly or is complete.

288 posted on 01/10/2009 8:03:47 PM PST by null and void ("Sure, first there's the Ooooos and Ahhhhhs, then there's the running and the screaming.")
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To: null and void

Lawrence Brennan is worried he will be killed by Scientologists...I suppose under the Fair Game Doctrine.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zh8cxxiUhyY

You are very fortunate you got out.

Around the 9 minute mark is the true threat to the world.

They want to control the legal and educational systems of the world.


289 posted on 01/11/2009 6:39:31 AM PST by RummyChick
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To: null and void

Thanks for the input null and void.


291 posted on 01/12/2009 12:53:05 AM PST by outlawjake
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To: null and void

would like your take on my take of scientology..

I believe i have figured out all their problems... haha

First david Miscavige has to go.. he is causing the group a ton of problems with his policies and behaviour..

the sea org.. has to be gotten rid of or completely reworked... Maybe it will cost them some money.. but maybe just have regular paid scientologists.. who live in their own place with benefits etc.. it will cost them money but in the long run the money they pay will be worth it in the bad pr it saves.. not to mention all the money they pay to dicredit people who leave the se org would be saved..

then again.. if david miscavige was fired.. then maybe they could just rework the policies of the sea org.. and they could save it by reworking and eliminating those bad policies..

next.. would say.. elimination of attacking critics.. again.. look at the big picture.. cost/benefit analysis.. they anger the people who are attacked and they make lifelong enemies.. and all the people who hear about the attacks on the critics are turned off.. and also become enemies..

a new poll in 2008 for the first time declared that atheists were no longer the least popular group as scientolgists beat them out.. they are badly losing the pr war..

next would be disconnection policy.. this again causes a lot of the frustration with the group... if the beliefs of the people in scientology are based on the truth.. then the people in it should be able to withstand criticism.. and make their reasoned arguments to support their view.. and not have to cut people out of their lives.. especially family members..

They need to work more on people getting a tougher skin and arguments for their truth rather than disconnecting...

psychiatric medicine.. this is tough one for them as it is basically a cornerstone of their belief system.. perhaps they should just avoid taking in any people who have serious mental health problems.. and when ones develop... encourage them to take a break..

all other instances.. people should be taking advice from their Dr. including neurological conditions.. which should be the practice if it is not now.. and there shouldn’t be any stigma for people taking psychiatric medication for neurological conditions..

finally is price.. they are free to charge what they want.. but just from a business perspective.. think they lose a lot of money by the insane prices they charge for some of their material..

ok.. here is more advice i just thought of.. again with pr.. they have to have people who go on tv and don’t lie.. they can not go on and say they have never heard of xenu when their members who are watching that saying.. what do you mean.. and literature online from the course and l ron hubbards own words that talk about xenu.. and complete denial of other things that are true..

another thing.. is that once i found out that according to census data there are only about 55,000 member in the U.S. i felt more sympathy for their position as i feel they are harming less people.. so I am not sure claims of ten million members are smart either..

seems to me that there may be some sort of decent stuff in the mind training.. as a lot of people claim good results.. and found some of the things like auditing similar to some stuff i have heard from Anthony Robbins..

If they would focus on that in a way like Anthony Robbins does or did (haven’t heard from him in awhile).. they would be far better off..


293 posted on 01/12/2009 1:59:05 AM PST by outlawjake
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To: null and void
Hubbard believed that 'LSD crystals' would lodge in capillaries and break loose at odd and inconvenient times to cause flashbacks.

That's freakin crazy, man! Oh, wow! Heard that new album by the Doors? It's far out!

315 posted on 03/16/2013 11:23:29 PM PDT by Albion Wilde (Liberalism: knowing you're better than everyone else because of your humility. -- Daniel Greenfield)
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