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Drawing the Line for Mormons: A Closer Look at the LDS Church
Catholic Exchange ^ | October 17, 2005 | Mary Kochan

Posted on 10/17/2005 6:28:59 AM PDT by NYer

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To: KateatRFM

Dear KateatRFM, I was never a Mormon and yes, their timing is indeed convenient. If they changed their "standards," what does it say about their faith?

Best regards


81 posted on 10/17/2005 5:22:09 PM PDT by kosta50 (Eastern Orthodoxy is pure Christianity)
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To: kosta50

***FR needs more such informative posts.***

There used to be lots of really informative posts here a few years back, giving out more info than one could take in.
Then someone got to squalling like a cat with it's tail caught in a ringer crying "abuse!" so the mods stepped in and had to crack a few heads to get everything cooled down.


82 posted on 10/17/2005 6:17:03 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (When someone burns a cross on your lawn, the best firehose is an AK-47.)
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To: NYer
Mormons want you to believe that they are "Christians" and that their church, "The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints," is just another Christian denomination. Mormons themselves believe that they are Christians and that their church is the only true church.

Wow. They sound like a bunch of Catholics.

83 posted on 10/17/2005 6:18:22 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: NYer

I want to know more about the Uma and the Thurman stuff.


84 posted on 10/17/2005 6:19:52 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: NYer

What does Mormonism teach about praying to Mary?


85 posted on 10/17/2005 6:20:55 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all.)
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To: Pessimist
Your scenario makes no sense to me, although I have read it in New Age and other occult literature. I won't call you sacrilegious, just deceived, as many are. Do you mind if I remember you in my prayers?
86 posted on 10/17/2005 6:34:47 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: jo kus
You have to admit that this is an extremely subjective means of determining the content of Scripture. Considering how easy it is for humans to delude themselves - knowing about the Fall of Adam and Eve, do you think God is going to rely on the "Spirit" enlightening every individual Mormon?

No, I believe that God will enlighten anyone—not just Mormons—who asks him in faith. That is what Jesus taught:

Ask, and it shall be given you; seek and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. (Matthew 7:7–8)

Is personal revelation from the Holy Spirit subjective? Perhaps. But so are faith, hope, and charity, which are essential to a Christian life.

87 posted on 10/17/2005 6:36:37 PM PDT by Logophile
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To: Ragtop

My niece is a Mormon, and she has confirmed to me every thing this article says about their beliefs many times.


88 posted on 10/17/2005 6:42:21 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: colorcountry

Moroni (not sure of the spelling)


89 posted on 10/17/2005 6:45:51 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: Ragtop

My apologies, I didn't think about the first couple of beliefs.


90 posted on 10/17/2005 6:47:18 PM PDT by ladyinred (It is all my fault okay?)
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To: Logophile
You need not take my word for this. The Book of Mormon itself promises that anyone who reads it and asks God with real intent will receive confirmation from the Holy Ghost that it is true.

This is a dangerous circuitous route. A book tells you to believe and to ask with "real intent" and receive confirmation that it is true. The formula used with anything, word, or doctrine will lead to self-deception. First convince yourself it's true...then ask and you'll get a "feeling" or burning in your bosom that tells you your right!

The Lord tells us that many people will be deceived by false doctrines. They will say that their doctrine is of Christ, is the Way, is the Truth, and is the Word of God. But, the Lord warns us to be cautious of what man tells us, as stated in the following verses:

Matthew 24:4,5 – 4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name saying, I am Christ: and shall deceive many.

Matthew 15:9 – But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men,

Romans 1:21 – Because that, when they knew God, they glorified him not as God, neither were thankful; but became vain in their imaginations, and their foolish hearts were darkened.

Colossians 2:8 – Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy and vain deceit, after the traditions of men, after the rudiments (basic principles) of the world, and not after Christ.

Proverb 14:12 – There is a way which seemeth right unto a man but the end thereof are the ways of death.

91 posted on 10/17/2005 9:27:59 PM PDT by colorcountry (George W. Bush... Saving your ass whether you like it or not!)
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To: rdb3

I've been as critical as anyone about LDS theology. The difference between GRPL members who have been banned and me is that I maintain a degree of civility when pointing out the errors of Mormonism.


92 posted on 10/17/2005 9:46:15 PM PDT by connectthedots
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To: Heyworth
The problem with Turtledove is that he apparently cranks out a 900 page book every three weeks. You can NEVER catch up.

That is one of my complaints about good authors, I outstrip them and read faster than they write!
93 posted on 10/18/2005 4:18:03 AM PDT by Dominick ("Freedom consists not in doing what we like, but in having the right to do what we ought." - JP II)
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To: Coleus
I understand the BSA has a special handbook just for mormon scouts too..

No suprise there. LDS has been the largest single supporter of BSA. Not sure about recent years. One could say BSA is the LDS youth program.

94 posted on 10/18/2005 4:19:09 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Thought from the eye closes the understanding, but thought from the understanding opens the eye. DLW)
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To: AlaninSA
Smith also attempted to corrupt the KJV Bible in his strange book called "the Book of Mormon."

The Book of Mormon is available in just about any Mariott hotel room.

95 posted on 10/18/2005 4:28:52 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Thought from the eye closes the understanding, but thought from the understanding opens the eye. DLW)
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To: Logophile
No, I believe that God will enlighten anyone—not just Mormons—who asks him in faith. That is what Jesus taught:

So what test do you use to determine that you are not being duped by the devil or yourself? Quite frankly, all thoughts that enter into our mind are not God's Spirit enlightening us...

Regards

96 posted on 10/18/2005 5:00:42 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: Doohickey; Religion Moderator
Kindly explain why posting this sort of article is an expression of good Christian values?

The source of my previous 2 posts to this thread came from a fire breathing lesbian back when the gay community was after the Boy Scouts for banning homosexual Scout Masters. She was hellbent on trashing the Mormons - big and easy target.

The HBO series Angels in America went on to trash the Mormons in much the same way this thread is doing (underwear jokes, etc).

The LDS folks I know have more values in common with me than not. I'd take one for a neighbor any day.

97 posted on 10/18/2005 5:15:37 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Thought from the eye closes the understanding, but thought from the understanding opens the eye. DLW)
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To: jo kus
So what test do you use to determine that you are not being duped by the devil or yourself?

Discerning love of self and love of the world vs. love of the Lord and love of the neighbor is not all that difficult. That's what evil and falsities vs. goodness and truth boil down to, isn't it?

It's always good to realize when we are following the Lord's path and doing His will.

98 posted on 10/18/2005 5:28:56 AM PDT by DaveMSmith (Thought from the eye closes the understanding, but thought from the understanding opens the eye. DLW)
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To: DaveMSmith
Discerning love of self and love of the world vs. love of the Lord and love of the neighbor is not all that difficult. That's what evil and falsities vs. goodness and truth boil down to, isn't it?

I am not speaking about knowing whether the Spirit is a driving force in one's life. I am refering to particulars of your faith - the content of Scripture and critical questions of the faith, such as "who is God?". The answers to these questions do not come from within, as Mormonism proclaims (the so-called "burning of the bosom"). How do you know you are not delusional regarding such matters?

Regards

99 posted on 10/18/2005 8:30:48 AM PDT by jo kus
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To: andysandmikesmom; Ragtop
a Mormon, or a Catholic, or a Baptist

As you say you are a studier, I hope and pray that your studies reveal to you, why the Baptist and Catholic can be lumped together, but the Mormon never can be, with them. It's a false religion. If that seems like an unfair "attack", well, Jesus Himself was very willing to be "offensive" when it came to the truth, that all would come to the truth and be saved. That is true love, not the liberal-minded "anything goes" mentality

100 posted on 10/18/2005 9:42:20 AM PDT by gamarob1 (.)
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