Oh yes. "Come into my parlor," said the spider to the fly. Come on over to this church that seems bankrupt in more than one way:
Spokane judge nailed it
Sept 2, 2005, The Seattle Times
"No one can be happy church property built with the widow's mite and good works is put in financial jeopardy, but a federal bankruptcy judge properly held the Catholic Diocese of Spokane accountable to the law.
Property owned by the diocese can be sold to pay settlements to sex-abuse victims, Judge Patricia Williams of the U.S. Bankruptcy Court for the Eastern District of Washington ruled last week. If parishioners are angry, the judge is a poor target for their wrath. Take it up with the leadership of the church, which failed them and those who were violated.
The Spokane diocese was the third in the nation to seek protection under Chapter 11 bankruptcy law, which offers a safe harbor from a storm of sexual-abuse lawsuits. Spokane followed Tucson and Portland into bankruptcy protection.
Yeah. No wonder you want people to swim the Tiber. You need their money to help pay off your bankrupt church's victims.
It's really funny. One thought that buggering boys was a sin (not to mention a crime), but I guess it wasn't if your holy church's leaders just swept it under the rug. Makes one wonder; if that's not a sin in your holy church anymore, what else is now permitted?
And about that widow's mite: you were really good and faithful stewards of that, weren't you?
Now, I find vladimir's comments sadly lacking in charity, and I find the Anglican Use to be even less Catholic than the 1928 BCP, which I must supplement with the Anglican Missal, but I don't find the content of that citation funny in the least, Clint.
The fact that men who have no difficulty expressing their preference for homosexual activity got into the priesthood is undeniable (it was also recommended by many at the time, sic transit sensibilitas, yes?), but it is not demonstrable as Church policy, nor is it either a recommendation or derogation of the value of Roman Catholic faithfulness to both acknowledge the abuse and to uphold historic RC doctrine and practice.
It is not news that Roman churchmen (as is true for churchmen of any tradition, Christian or not) are fallible and some are even scandalous. A cursory review of history would disabuse the contrary and utterly erroneous notion. But to use the late errors, grievous as they were, as a permanent stick to beat Catholics with is unconscionable, sir, and I rebuke you for it.
In Christ,
Deacon Paul+
Clint,
You wrote:
"Oh yes. "Come into my parlor," said the spider to the fly."
So you're a fly now? That's very apt considering what flies usually buzz around.
"Come on over to this church that seems bankrupt in more than one way:"
Except that the Church is not bankrupt in any way. Some diocese, because of the stupidity and sinfulness of their priests and bishops are now cash poor. Not my diocese. Not my parish. And certainly not my Church.
Also, you seem to have forgotten that the first diocese to file for bankruptcy in North America for pay off sexual abuse law suits was an Anglican diocese in Canada. Remember that? Hypocrisy is a really sad thing. Try to avoid it.
"Yeah. No wonder you want people to swim the Tiber. You need their money to help pay off your bankrupt church's victims."
Well, since my Church doesn't owe a dime to anyone for anything I can't see how that could be. Do tell. Also, in case you haven't noticed, Anglicans have been leaving their sect for months and months over the most recent and sad oddities they've witnessed. Many of them are coming to the Catholic Church. Don't like it? Too bad. It's going to continue.
"It's really funny. One thought that buggering boys was a sin (not to mention a crime), but I guess it wasn't if your holy church's leaders just swept it under the rug."
No Anglican, or any Anglican defender, should ever lecture anyone about the sinfulness of buggering boys since that is an English public school/Anglican pastime of longstanding note. Also, none of my Church's leaders swept anything under the rug. Want to know how many legal claims there are against my diocese? Zero. Want to know how many there were against my diocese ten years ago? Zero.
"Makes one wonder; if that's not a sin in your holy church anymore, what else is now permitted?"
It is a sinful and it always will be. Anglicanism, however, now allows openly gay bishops. That is a a very open endorsement of homosexuality.
"And about that widow's mite: you were really good and faithful stewards of that, weren't you?"
If it makes you feel better to write that way, go ahead. I know your sect is essentially undefendable so it doesn't really bother me. Those Anglicans who actually want to be Christians will continue to leave you behind and join the Church. You can't stop it. Hurts doesn't it? Feeling impotent? Angry? Upset that anti-Catholicism is not enough to stop the bleeding out of your sect?
Get used to it.