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Bishop's canon calls for the excommunication of prominent layman
VirtueOnline-News ^ | 7/16/2005 | David Virtue

Posted on 07/17/2005 7:22:03 AM PDT by sionnsar

SYRACUSE: (July 15, 2005)--The following article was printed in the parish newsletter at St. Andrew's Episcopal Church in Syracuse, NY.

After the publication of this article, the rector of the parish received a call from a priest at the diocesan office who asked that the author, Mr. Raymond J. Dague be excommunicated.

As you may understand or guess, excommunication is a serious act. According to the Book of Common Prayer, excommunication is reserved for "a person who is living a notoriously evil life" (Disciplinary Rubrics, BCP p. 409).

What is the evil that Mr. Dague has committed? He has questioned the diocesan action of sponsoring a visit by Marcus Borg.

Mr. Dague's reasoning is air-tight, and maybe this is what troubles the diocesan office. You see, when they offer explanations for why they do and promote unbiblical actions, their reasoning for doing so is generally pretty poor. In fact, they often use buzz words like diversity and inclusiveness. You can see from their attempted treatment of Mr. Dague that they are anything but inclusive. Recently, the diocesan denied permission for Bp. Bob Duncan, to preach at St. Andrew's in Vestal, NY. Why? The stated reason was that Bp. Duncan is a lightning rod. After reading Mr. Dague's essay, I think that you will agree that Marcus Borg is also a lightning rod. And why was he in our Diocese of Central NY? Because the diocese sponsored his visit. Are you catching the inclusivity? Ed.

By Raymond Dague

On Saturday, June 4, 2005 the famous liberal theologian Marcus Borg is coming to central New York to give a public lecture and to speak to the clergy of the Episcopal Church. The Diocese is bringing him here. Marcus Borg is one of the founders of the Jesus Seminar in 1985. The Jesus Seminar is a group of liberal scholars who have decided that very little of what is portrayed in the Gospels is historically accurate. They say that they are in search of the "historical" Jesus, rather than the Jesus of "m yth" as portrayed by the Church for the last 2000 years.

How did we get to a state in the Episcopal Church were orthodoxy as set forth in the Nicene Creed is out, and heresy is taught to our clergy by Marcus Borg at the request of the officials of this diocese? That is an interesting story which requires some recent and not so recent history.

The recent history we mostly know, because we have been living it for the last two years. Lately the entire world wide Anglican Communion has been racked by wars over the new bishop of New Hampshire who is living with his homosexual lover. Also by vote of the 2003 General Convention, each diocese can now decide whether it wants to bless homosexual unions. Some bishops, like the new bishop of Florida, are saying that all is well, but events speak differently.

Six rectors in Connecticut are under threat of being removed by their bishop. Three parishes in Los Angeles have transferred their ecclesiastical authority to an Anglican bishop in Africa. The bishop of Los Angeles is pouring hundreds of thousands of dollars into a lawsuit against these parishes which legal experts say he will lose, and with it three of his fastest growing parishes. A similar lawsuit by the bishop of Pennsylvania has generated a legal bill over $1 million to that diocese, and the bishop there still has another appeal before he can seize the church he is suing.

All across the country whole parishes are walking away from their property and starting new churches, sometimes turning the keys over to their bishop to do what he wants with empty buildings with no parishioners. The Anglican Mission in America (AMiA) is picking up many of these parishes. Independent Anglican parishes are forming. Almost every diocese in the country has taken a big financial hit, and church attendance is down practically everywhere. Traditionalist groups such as the A merican Anglican Council and the Anglican Communion Network are flourishing in an apparent backlash against the slide of the entire denomination.

Weird things continue to pop up around the country with the name "Episcopal" attached. Last fall a husband and wife pair of Episcopal rectors in Pennsylvania were discovered as having been longtime Druids. Surely you would think that the bishop of these two priests would discipline them. But when they renounced their Druid practices and resigned from the "Order of Bards, Ovates and Druids" their bishop disciplined neither of them. He issued a press release touting the positive contributions they had made to the church. The husband later renounced his Christian faith to become a Druid priest. The wife is still rector of her Episcopal Church. Presiding Bishop Frank Griswold has uttered not a peep over this apostasy.

The official website of the national Episcopal Church carried a "Wome n's Eucharist" which is pure pagan worship of the female body. When a circle of women drink from a cup of wine they invoke the image of their menstrual blood in an act which looks like Satan worship.

One of the most prominent Episcopal churches in the nation, Trinity Church on Wall Street in New York City, had a very interesting celebration on Trinity Sunday 2005. While we at St. Andrew's were celebrating the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit with the liturgy of the faith used for almost 2000 years, Trinity Wall Street had a clown mass. No words were said for the readings which were instead acted out in mime. The congregation responded with noise makers rather than said or sung prayers. The priest was dressed up like Bozo the Clown rather than wearing liturgical vestments. Instead of incense they blew bubbles around the altar. If you go to the Trinity Wall Street website you can watch this entire hour-long liturgy travesty.

In the diocese of Central New York the Thornfield Conference Center was recently deconsecrated when the "vision committee" of the diocese decided that the Center had no future, and its buildings were torn down. As the diocesan budget is shrinking, church attendance is off.

St. Andrew's in Syracuse and some other parishes have cut off sending money to the diocese. As a result St. Andrew's, one of the largest and fastest growing parishes in the diocese, was denied a seat at the 2004 diocesan convention. A new parish has not been started in this diocese in well over 30 years, and many have been closed, or yoked under a single priest with other parishes which are failing.

The problems of the Episcopal Church did not begin with the 2003 General Convention and the advance of the homosexual agenda. The root of this decay is far deeper than the events of a single church convention in the summer in Minneapolis two years ago.

In 1958 a liberal dean of the Cathedral of St. John the Divine in New York City was elected bishop coadjutor of the diocese of California, and within a year was bishop of California. Until he resigned in 1966 James Pike, like Bishop Spong of New Jersey, was the darling of the liberal news media. His antics even won him a spot on the cover of Time Magazine. Pike's first career was that of a lawyer, but his real splash was as maverick bishop. Actually "heretic bishop" is a better characterization. Pike's descent into heresy involved his denial of the doctrines of the virgin birth and the infallibility of scripture. As early as 1960 he called the doctrine of the Trinity "outdated, incomprehensible and nonessential" to the Christian faith. The Episcopal Church largely ignored Pike until he became so outrageous that he was impossible to ignore. When Pike's son committed suicide, he engaged in séances to contact his deceased son. Pike married three time s, divorcing his first two wives.

Finally Pike was presented with changes of heresy. In October of 1966, the House of Bishops of the Episcopal Church voted to censure him. This was a rather mild rebuke considering that Pike's widely publicized views completely contradicted the Christian faith. Some of the bishops wrote a minority report defending Pike saying, "We believe it is more important to be a sympathetic and self-conscious part of God's action in the secular world than it is to defend the positions of the past, which is a past that is altered by each new discovery of truth." In other words, even our belief in the Triune God is up for grabs as each generation discovers new truths.

When the divided House of Bishops gave only a censure rather than any real discipline, it was a signal to the entire Episcopal Church that there was no longer any church discipline about what you believed or did.

Bishop Pike then took a dr ive in the desert of Israel south of Jerusalem when his car got stuck. He tried to walk back to civilization, but lost his way. He died in the barren wilderness of the Israeli countryside as he was trying to find his way out of the desert - perhaps an apt metaphor for his entire life.

After Pike another heretic Bishop came on the scene. From 1976 to 2000 John Shelby Spong was the bishop of New Jersey. He is another Pike, but even more public and sensational. Spong wrote more books than Pike did, and rather than just being on magazine covers, he is constantly on television with interviews, has his own online web column, and rides the lecture circuit peddling heresy. Central New York's former bishop O'Kelly Whittaker invited Spong to be the speaker at one of our diocesan conventions. While his diocese was in serious decline due to his disbelief of everything Christian, Spong made a good living. He became famous as a debunker of the things which his Church believed as set forth in the Bible, the Nicene Creed, the 39 Articles, and the Prayer Book. And in doing so he is helping to pave the way for the Episcopal Church to renounce Trinitarian doctrines in favor of a doctrine of radical love and inclusiveness.

What Spong believes is set forth in his own words in what he calls his "12 Theses."

1. Theism, as a way of defining God, is dead. So most theological God-talk is today meaningless. A new way to speak of God must be found.

2. Since God can no longer be conceived in theistic terms, it becomes nonsensical to seek to understand Jesus as the incarnation of the theistic deity. So the Christology of the ages is bankrupt.

3. The biblical story of the perfect and finished creation from which human beings fell into sin is pre-Darwinian mythology and post-Darwinian nonsense.

4. The virgin birth, understood as literal biology, makes Christ's divini ty, as traditionally understood, impossible.

5. The miracle stories of the New Testament can no longer be interpreted in a post-Newtonian world as supernatural events performed by an incarnate deity.

6. The view of the cross as the sacrifice for the sins of the world is a barbarian idea based on primitive concepts of God and must be dismissed.

7. Resurrection is an action of God. Jesus was raised into the meaning of God. It therefore cannot be a physical resuscitation occurring inside human history.

8. The story of the Ascension assumed a three-tiered universe and is therefore not capable of being translated into the concepts of a post- Copernican space age.

9. There is no external, objective, revealed standard writ in scripture or on tablets of stone that will govern our ethical behavior for all time.

10. Prayer cannot be a request made to a theistic deity to act in human history in a particular way. 11. The hope for life after death must be separated forever from the behavior control mentality of reward and punishment. The Church must abandon, therefore, its reliance on guilt as a motivator of behavior.

12. All human beings bear God's image and must be respected for what each person is. Therefore, no external description of one's being, whether based on race, ethnicity, gender or sexual orientation, can properly be used as the basis for either rejection or discrimination.

To analyze these would take too much space here, but notice one thing about Spong's 12 Theses: they say much about what he does not believe, but little about what he does believe. Much liberal theology is similar. It criticizes what it claims is wrong belief, but has few positive statements to describe faith in Christ. Other than "God is love", "inclusiveness," and "gender neutral" language, there is not much substantive content to liberal theology. < BR>Borg is in the tradition of Spong and Pike. In a well written book The Meaning of Jesus: Two Visions by Marcus J. Borg & N. T. Wright, Borg describes what he thinks about Jesus, and often what he does not think about Jesus.

Borg believes that Jesus was not conceived by Mary as a virgin, but was the biological child of Joseph and Mary. Jesus was "more likely" born in Nazareth and not in Bethlehem as recorded in the Gospels of Matthew and Luke. None of the things associated with the nativity of Jesus such as the appearance of the star, the shepherds seeing the angel, or the magi visiting the baby ever happened. Also the geologies of Jesus were fabrications, or as Borg likes to say, "history metaphorized." Jesus did not know that he was the Jewish Messiah. Jesus did not predict his own death, nor did he see his death as the salvation for the sins of man. Jesus did not utter the words of the Eucharist at the Last Supper over the bread and the wine. There was never a trial of Jesus before the Jewish or Roman authorities. Whether the tomb was empty on Easter morning is "irrelevant" to the Christian faith. He describes the Nicene Creed as "not...a set of literally true doctrinal statements to which I am supposed to give my intellectual assent, but as a culturally relative product of the ancient church" which he prefers to chant or sing, rather than say.

Borg is an attractive and glib speaker, and a fine writer. He cranks out book after book debunking orthodox Christianity, and is a bit better than his predecessors Pike and Spong in trying to articulate actual content to what he believes. But basically his calls himself Christian by remaking Christianity as he "imagines" Jesus. When you see a theologian, bishop, or priest speak about "imagining" or "re-imagining" God, watch out. They, like Pike, Spong and Borg, are remaking God in their own image, and to th eir own liking

In a very real sense, the Episcopal Church in the United States is doing just what Bishop Pike did. It is lost in the wilderness, has embraced heresy, and is dying as its membership and finances dry up. It is dying of thirst for the Holy Spirit as it wanders in a wilderness of theological and moral experimentation. It claims that it is acting prophetically at the behest of the Holy Spirit revealing new truth, but it is lost in the Wilderness of Sin.

Marcus Borg is another step along the proud road to renouncing the truths of the Christian faith and replacing them with a quasi-Christian jargon of love and inclusiveness with no requirement for repentance, transformation, and holiness. This next weekend, the Diocese of Central New York will take one more step down that road as it listens to Marcus Borg. I plan to stay home to work in my garden and mow my lawn.

–Mr. Raymond J. Dague is Chancellor to St. Andrew' s Episcopal Church in Syracuse, New York


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To: Siobhan

"So what stripe are you? Milan Synod? ROCOR? Monophysite British Orthodox Church? Antiochian Archdiocese under Metropolitan PHILIP? Greek Orthodox? OCA?"

I have done my level best here at FR to avoid answering such questions as that and also to avoid asking them. I will say I am not a monophysite and I consider reard all of the councils through Nicaea II as being God-inspired Ecumenical Councils.


61 posted on 07/20/2005 3:45:20 PM PDT by Graves (Orthodoxy or death!)
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To: Agrarian

I will not weigh in on sanctity or lack of sanctity among those who do not confess the Holy Orthodox Faith. (Though personally, I'd be willing to let the Latins keep Theresa of Avila if we ever get back together: some of her more outrageous statements (e.g. "Life in this world is like a night in a second rate inn") remind me of the Desert Fathers.)

I will, however, note, that in the Synaxarion prepared by Simonas Petras Monastery on the Holy Mountain (not available in English, but translated into French as Le Synaxaire), the year 800 was chosen as the cut-off for
consideration of saints form the now-separated Partiarchate of Rome.


62 posted on 07/20/2005 7:22:27 PM PDT by The_Reader_David (And when they behead your own people in the wars which are to come, then you will know . . .)
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To: The_Reader_David

"the year 800 was chosen [at Simonas Petras] as the cut-off for consideration of saints form the now-separated Partiarchate of Rome."

Makes sense to me.

On the other hand, ROCOR gives England an extension to the Battle of Hastings (A.D. 1066), which allows for the appearance of Our Lady at Walsingham and for St. Edward the Confessor.

Should not Spain and Portugal should be cut off at A.D. 589, the date of the Council of Toledo?


63 posted on 07/20/2005 10:31:07 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves
I have done my level best here at FR to avoid answering such questions as that and also to avoid asking them. I will say I am not a monophysite and I consider reard all of the councils through Nicaea II as being God-inspired Ecumenical Councils.

How utterly bizarre and preposterous. Why on earth would one be afraid to name the Orthodox Church to which one belongs?

64 posted on 07/20/2005 11:45:34 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Graves

I might gather from your changed tag line that you support those who do not commemorate the Ecumenical Patriarch and believe he is Orthodox in name only.


65 posted on 07/20/2005 11:57:40 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Siobhan

"Why on earth would one be afraid to name the Orthodox Church to which one belongs?"

If anyone says anything these days, who knows? He could get thrown out of his home for exercising freedom of speech. Why, just look at what happened to the Russians on Mt. Athos. Thus my tagline. Today it's Esphigmenou. Tomorrow, it could be you. Just scroll up and read about the excommunication of a traditionalist minded layman to see what's happening to the Episcopalians. It's getting insane around here.

Speaking of interesting Celtic saints, did you know the ROCOR used to commemorate King Macbeth of Scotland on the Feast of our Lady's Dormition? Maybe they still do. It seems he was the last King of Scotland who might be considered Orthodox just as St. Harold II was the last one south of the Hadrian's Wall.

After 1066, the good old C of E really went down the tubes. I mean, when you have to put your cathedral inside of a fortress, you know you've got serious issues.


66 posted on 07/21/2005 4:52:43 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: The_Reader_David

Actually, September through April (in 4 volumes) of the Synaxarion prepared by Simonas Petras Monastery is indeed available in an English translation/edition. There is additional material that has been added for later saints, etc...

It is a beautiful work, well worth the money, and I can't wait for additional volumes to be published. The introductory material is also wonderful.


67 posted on 07/21/2005 9:18:50 AM PDT by Agrarian
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To: Graves
The problem for me, and a whole lot of other Orthodox Christians, with the papal pronouncement of 1854 is that it looks to be rooted in the "original sin" idea, i.e. in Augustinianism. As you probably know, Augustinian ideas just don't fly too well with Orthodox Christians. We look at the doctrine of Immaculate Conception and we see a poor solution to a problem that never existed in the first place

Understood. "Looks to be" was very judicious of you, and well appreciated. If you can just leave a little room in your mind for the possibility--however remote--that our ideas of original sin *may not be incompatible* with the Holy Orthodox faith of the Greek Fathers, though they are couched in a language you don't use and may not even particularly like, I can leave this thread a happy man.

68 posted on 07/21/2005 9:41:46 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Agrarian

Thanks for the clarification on the Orthodox calendar. Very enlightening, and I actually think that we Latins could do well to "localize" our calendar a little better. Why the feasts of St. John Neumann, St. Katharine Drexel and the North American Martyrs are not major feast days in the U.S. is utterly beyond me.


69 posted on 07/21/2005 9:46:08 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Claud

They certainly are not compatible. Where I come from (see the "Commonitory" - in Latin if you like, of the Western father St. Vincent of Lerins), we call that incompatibility heresy on the part of the Pope of Rome in 1854.


70 posted on 07/21/2005 9:46:30 AM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Graves

And where do you come from?


71 posted on 07/21/2005 1:01:55 PM PDT by Siobhan ("Whenever you come to save Rome, make all the noise you want." -- Pius XII)
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To: Siobhan

"And where do you come from?"
I am an Orthodox Christian and that is my spiritual perspective. Three canons are central to understanding what Orthodox Christianity is all about. These are: 1)The Canon of St. Jude found in St. Jude's Epistle, verse 3, 2) The Canon of St. Vincent of Lerins, and 3) The Canon of St. Basil the Great.


72 posted on 07/21/2005 1:35:42 PM PDT by Graves (Remember Esphigmenou - Orthodoxy or Death!)
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To: Claud

What "drives" the names and ranks of saints on our calendars is mostly sustained local veneration. The reason that a given saint is on the local calendar is not so much that because he was a local as it was that he is venerated locally.

The Orthodox Typikon always gives great latitude to the parish rector in determining which of the saints falling on that day in the calendar will be commemorated in the services on that day.


73 posted on 07/21/2005 2:05:33 PM PDT by Agrarian
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To: TruthNtegrity

To read later.


74 posted on 07/22/2005 7:43:54 PM PDT by TruthNtegrity (Bar sure loves her son, the President. Look at how she looks at him. I love it. That's a proud Mama.)
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