[Pyro7480]

"The whitest knight was Saladin and the worst fundamentalists were Christian. They made the problem."

Come again? The Muslim hoardes invade more than half of the land that was then Christian, enslave pilgrims to the Holy Land, and the Christians are somehow at fault? Sheesh...

[Pyro7480]

Catholic ping!

[NeoCaveman]

Are you really suprised?

[mike182d]

lol. That is correct. Muslims had absolutely nothing to do with the Crusades and the Catholic Church was just being a viscious, racist, tyrant in attacking a poor, innocent people. /sarcasm

[Pyro7480]

Oh, if you want to watch the trailer, you can watch it here: Kingdom of Heaven

[mike182d]

uncredited Ed Norton as King Baldwin

however, I cannot think of a bad movie to date that had Ed Norton in it...

[big'ol_freeper]

Very disappointing. I was really looking forward to this movie. Guess I won't be seeing it. The black legend of the Crusades, as with many black legends about the Catholic Church, was created by the Protestants to attack the Church. I was hoping that recent events might have caused some to revisit the Crusades in a more historically accurate way.

[RobbyS]

Saladin WAS a good guy. The problem is that PC history forgets that he was hardly typical of Muslim leaders.

[ksen]

They just don't get it.....

King Arthur was probably the best of the ones mentioned, but an amazonian Guenevere? C'mon!

Troy just plain stank.

Alexander was a movie-length commercial for homosexuality.

Maybe if they put out good historical films they'd actually see some measure of success. Just reading the above I can tell you that Kingdom will bomb because of Scott's comment about Christians being the bad guys.

[annalex]

It is possible that the movie will make out better than the sophomoric Troy, and the rest of pop-history movies of late. It will nevertheless be trash.

Our century is organically uncapable of understandiing the Crusades: we barely understand Christian or Muslim basics, we are indoctrinated against all holy works and all expresison of piety, we cannot conceive of a grassroots military enterprise even on a modest scale, and we fear war.

Choosing this subject is a dumb idea. But then one of the characteristics of the dumb is that they don't understand their limitation.

[Nauta]

Ping!

[NYer]

Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[NYer]

Catholic Ping - Please freepmail me if you want on/off this list

[RonDog]

See also a PREVIOUS thread about this movie:

Muslim Scholars Denounce Upcoming 'Kingdom of Heaven' (poor babies)
	Posted by Paul Atreides On News/Activism 08/12/2004 1:13:08 PM PDT · 37 replies · 992+ views IMDb.com ^ | 8-12-04

[Bigg Red]

I can't say that I am really surprised. Here is yet another movie that I will be sure to miss.

I saw this movie advertised on TV and, for a nanosecond I was interested, but then I figured they would lie about it.

[cardinal4]

With the failure of King Arthur

I think it is a great movie. Based loosely on Artorius Castus, a Roman commander of conscripted Sarmatian Knights from the 2nd century, it was departure from the stories of King Arthur that we are used to. But this one presents a perfectly good candidate for Arthur as a Roman, I thought..

[Invincibly Ignorant]

I think the movie would be more interesting if it were about the 1st and 2nd crusades when Christians were mowing
down Jews.

[Aquinasfan]

According to Scott, though, it's actually the Christian forces that come off worst. "All you've got to do is tell the truth," says the director. "The whitest knight was Saladin and the worst fundamentalists were Christian. They made the problem."

I guess Christians "made the problem" by being driven out of the Holy Land and North Africa, or being slaughtered or forced to convert, over the course of several centuries, before they determined to fight back.

I smell another anti-Christian Hollywood stink bomb. Unfortunately, this will play well in the Muslim world.

[Mark in the Old South]

You see it all the time. There was no problem before the Christians started to fight back. Just ask a liberal who blames the Pope for starting the Crusades what happened to Christian Egypt? Christian Syria? Christian Libya? Christian Mauritania? etc etc. They were invading the middle of France in 702(?) for the love of Pete. Many of them learned this but it doesn't fit with the agenda so they ignore it and get irritated with you for not falling for the party line.

One more movie I will NOT be seeing. I'm a history buff this kind of movie is right up my ally. Heck if they want to blow a lot of money on a flick people will not see, what can you do?

[rwfromkansas]

I hope this won't be anti-Christian, but it probably will be.

[Fred]

Kingdom of Heaven? Rubbish!