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Disciples of Pope John Paul (Faculty of Gregorian University Gripe About Piety of New Seminarians)
Newsday ^ | 4/13/05 | Matthew McAllester

Posted on 04/13/2005 8:24:06 AM PDT by marshmallow

A generation of seminarians expects to continue a conservative approach that was the signature of late pope

ROME - Just as Karol Wojtyla came to Rome to study before taking up a post in his first parish in Poland, so thousands of hand-picked young seminary students and priests from all over the world come to Rome to continue their theological educations.

They are the elite. They may not become pope, as Wojtyla did in 1978, but many will likely go on to become bishops and cardinals, as the schools' graduates have in the past.

And if the graduates stick with their current convictions, the future Roman Catholic Church will likely be as conservative as it has become under John Paul II. This generation of young men is part of his legacy. They are his spiritual and philosophical sons and disciples, and with many, even the introduction into conversation of some of the issues raised by reformist members of the church produce unease sometimes bordering on hostility.

One young deacon, from Ireland, forcefully told a reporter that he didn't think an interview should focus any longer on the issue of condoms and HIV. At another point he demanded that a reporter read back from his notes the deacon's comments about why women should not be ordained as priests.

In interviews with students from Argentina, Germany, Hungary, Switzerland, Angola, Ireland and Sudan over the past few days, eight young men in four colleges spoke almost as one about key topics they will face in their careers: the future direction of the church, the kind of man they would like to see elected pope, and the controversial topics of sexuality, personal morality and the role of women in the church that have many Catholics concerned that traditional stances will alienate existing and potential Catholics.

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To: marshmallow
One young deacon, from Ireland, forcefully told a reporter that he didn't think an interview should focus any longer on the issue of condoms and HIV.

Right on, deacon!

Can we now begin to question reporters' obsession with making anal sex 'safe'? What's up with that? Is that all you think about? It's never gonna happen, reporter dude!

What person in their right mind imagines that HIV victims were obedient on condoms but not disordered sexual relations? Completely insane!

21 posted on 04/13/2005 11:30:06 AM PDT by siunevada
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To: marshmallow
THe best line:

"I heard with my own ears someone say the pope was a thief because he didn't fight AIDS," Dobos said. "But if everyone lived the way a Catholic should live, there would be no AIDS."

22 posted on 04/13/2005 11:47:59 AM PDT by It's me
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To: Pyro7480

A good example of today's young priests are on EWTN everyday.


23 posted on 04/13/2005 5:39:39 PM PDT by franky (Pray for the souls of the faithful departed.)
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To: marshmallow
At another point he demanded that a reporter read back from his notes the deacon's comments about why women should not be ordained as priests.

Yeah, 'cause we all know that reporters are always 100% accurate...
24 posted on 04/13/2005 6:25:10 PM PDT by hispanichoosier
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To: marshmallow
"I think there is a doctrinaire feeling among a lot of seminarians," said O'Collins, who has been teaching 35 years and, in spite of his anxiety over the seminarians of today, is not a particular advocate of liberalism. "And a bishop sending someone here is going to pick the reliable, safe ones. ... I think pastoral experience is a great reality teacher. They can't live like that. In the pastorial situation, they've got to be wise and helpful."

A Roman Catholic seminary is the only institution in the world that can take in a man and turn out a boy.

Pastoral experience will change these young priests. They will also be serving under pastors who are tempered by life, and human encounters.

25 posted on 04/13/2005 6:28:36 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Pastoral experience will change these young priests.

Maybe the delivery, but hopefully not the message. Bending the Truth to meet "realities of the world" is one of the reasons we have so many problems today.

26 posted on 04/13/2005 8:08:21 PM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: conservonator
Maybe the delivery, but hopefully not the message.

The essence of the Christian message has to be presented in a way that ears will hear.

27 posted on 04/13/2005 8:35:45 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: sinkspur
Pastoral experience will change these young priests. They will also be serving under pastors who are tempered by life, and human encounters.

The model here is John Paul II, right?

The article is pointing out that these young men are inspired by him and seek to model themselves after his example.

We don't want pastoral experience to change that, do we?

The late Pope showed us that piety and contemplation are compatible with pastoral zeal. The whining of the seminary faculty is essentially the "Martha" complaint of the gospels. They seem convinced that too much prayer and communion with God will ruin these young men.

It is they who are out of step.

28 posted on 04/13/2005 9:15:26 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: marshmallow
These young men do not speak with pastoral voices. They speak with dogmatic theological blandness.

Pastoral experience and prayer will temper the dogmatism and infuse it with the sensitivity that JPII exhibited in his writings.

29 posted on 04/13/2005 9:18:35 PM PDT by sinkspur (If you want unconditional love with skin, and hair and a warm nose, get a shelter dog.)
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To: Jeff Chandler; saradippity; Phx_RC; TotusTuus; Northern Yankee
(sara's heard this story)

I had lunch with a nun about a month ago from a local parish. Her general comment, when we were talking about the young priest who joined her parish last summer was,

"These new priests coming out of the seminaries are 'so conservative, just so conservative!' Even some of the other priests are complaining about them."

It took all I had not to spew my ice tea and howl with laughter.

It was then, I knew that this was good news.

30 posted on 04/13/2005 9:31:20 PM PDT by kstewskis ("Tolerance is what happens when one loses their principles"....Fr. A Saenz.)
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To: marshmallow

Sounds wonderful to me!


31 posted on 04/13/2005 10:37:04 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: marshmallow
I think the picture is getting better and better!

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32 posted on 04/13/2005 10:38:43 PM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: ReagansRaiders; kstewskis; Victoria Delsoul; JoAnka; Raquel; Kelly_2000
Not only was he heavily influenced by John Paul the Great, but he is a solid Reaganite to boot. (He served as my College Republican Vice Chairman one year.)

Can we borrow him for a few years?

I was really struck at Anna Quindlen's editorial in Newsweek this week. She makes it clear she is catholic, and then finishes up her article on Pope John Paul II like this:

"When the pope appeared to be channeling Leviticus, standing for orthodoxy simply for orthodoxy's sake, he appeared less like a spiritual leader and more like an ecclesiastical politician. seeing only the trees and not the forest."

She admires him for being a good man, but chastises him for not being in the current thought of liberal philosphies.

Quindlen continues to get wrong. (She also exclaimed a few weeks ago, during the debate over Terri Shindler Shiavo, that there is no such thing as a culture of life.) These "Catholics" don't seem to want to conform to the teachings of the Catholic faith. We need to continue with the education of our faith, with men who are going to remain faithful to the doctrine of the Catholic Church.

Keep those seminarians coming.

33 posted on 04/14/2005 4:29:11 AM PDT by Northern Yankee (Freedom Needs a soldier)
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To: ReagansRaiders

One of Justice Scalia's sons is a young parish priest in the Arlington diocese, as well. i am kinda betting he is conservative ; )


34 posted on 04/14/2005 4:38:55 AM PDT by xsmommy
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To: marshmallow

This is good news, my friends.


35 posted on 04/14/2005 5:36:38 AM PDT by Desdemona
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To: Northern Yankee; All
Don't worry: the younger generation is more conservative than the past.

I know whereof I speak: I am a part of that generation.

Actually, my sister goes to the Catholic University of America (in Washington DC) and she has said that the students are fully orthodox down there, and that many are contemplating the priesthood and the convent.

It's encouraging.
36 posted on 04/14/2005 6:02:14 AM PDT by tlRCta (St. Thomas More, Pray for Us! St. John Fisher, Pray for Us!)
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To: sinkspur
I agree, just so long as the Truth is not diluted in order to make the message palatable.
37 posted on 04/14/2005 6:38:51 AM PDT by conservonator (Blank by popular demand)
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To: franky
A good example of today's young priests are in Parishes in the Diocese of Arlington.

Loverde squashed the supply, but the priests that made it through the system before he (fully) took over are excellent. Also shows that orthodoxy (Keating) begets vocations, squishyness and modernism (Loverde) do not.

38 posted on 04/14/2005 7:13:22 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: marshmallow
This generation of young men is part of his legacy.

I pray the next Pope will continue his legacy. This is one of the things about the Church people tend to forget. The 2,000 year old Church reacts slowly because it thinks in terms of generations. A corporate CEO would have responded in Trump-like manner ("You're fired!") to the recent scandals. The Church, it appears, has decided to let the liberal priests and bishops die-off and have more conservative priests in training to replace them. Not the immediate response people want, but a long-term solution nonetheless.

40 posted on 04/14/2005 7:55:43 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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