Justification is by Grace Alone

c.1558 | John Calvin

[Frumanchu]

Ping!

[Gamecock]

Ping to myself for a later read.

I want to reread Scripture on the subject of Grace and Justification before I make any posts.

I think that is the only wise thing to do....

[ItsOurTimeNow]

BUMP - for a later read.
BUMP - for edification and Truth.

[thePilgrim]

Thank you, brother. I look forward to reading it.

In the service of the Lord,
Christian.

[jkl1122]

I agree that we are not justified by "works of the law". However, to state we are justified by grace "alone" is not scriptural. Please show me book, chapter, and verse from the Bible that states were are justfied by grace "alone" or by faith "alone".

God Bless.

[HarleyD]

"However, to state we are justified by grace "alone" is not scriptural."

I don't believe Calvin is stating that. He states:

"The only option is to come as poor beggars, that we may be justified by faith. Not as if faith were a virtue proceeding from us, but we must come humbly, confessing that we cannot obtain salvation except as a free gift. This, then, is why the law is put in opposition to faith."

[jkl1122]

The fact that God's gift of salvation is unmerited does not by necessity mean it is unconditional. Those are two separate things. Unmerited means it can't be earned, and Scripture clearly teaches that fact. Unconditional means that it can't be refused, but that is not taught in Scripture. Mark 16:16 clearly shows that disbelief will cause one to refuse God's gift of salvation. By obeying the Lord and doing as we have been taught, we are not meriting salvation, we are just meeting the conditions for receipt of that wonderful gift.

[Frumanchu]

Rom 3:28 for starters.

jkl, if you stood before the Throne and God asked you, "Why should I let you into Heaven?" what would your reply be?

[Revelation 911]

"Why should I let you into Heaven?" what would your reply be?

"Um Sir, Mr. I am, I respectfully defer to my court appointed Intercessor"

Happy friday, Fru

[jkl1122]

Romans 3:28

"Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law."

That is just repeating what I have already agreed with. This does not say by faith "alone", it simply shows that we can't earn our salvation with works of the law. I asked for book,chapter,and verse from the Bible that shows we are saved by "faith alone", and I am still waiting. Care to try again?

[Frumanchu]

I answered your question. You may not care for the answer, but it was answered. I would appreciate the same courtesy extended to the question I asked you. Then perhaps we can continue discussing our respective views.

[jkl1122]

No you did not answer my question. Works of the law, or works we can boast of, are not required for salvation. I already agree with that. Faith is required. I agree with that. The verse you posted did not state, or teach, that we are saved by faith alone. Please list just one verse or passage that teaches we are saved by faith "alone". Thank you.

For your sake, I will offer an answer to your question. I guess I would reply that because of Christ's ultimate sacrifice and offering of salvation, even though I am not worthy, I have the hope of Heaven. And since I have obeyed the Gospel, I trust that my Lord will keep His promise to me and to all mankind.

[Colin MacTavish]

Thank you for the invite. I look forward to our coming debates, though I hope they don't take the place of our discussions over Warsteiner.

Colin.

Jock was traveling by train seated next to a stern-faced clergyman. As Jock pulled out a bottle of whisky from his pocket the clergyman glared and said reprovingly, "Look here, I am sixty-five and I have never tasted whisky in my life!"
"Dinna worry, Minister," smiled Jock, pouring himself a dram.
"There's no risk of you starting now!"

[Frumanchu]

No you did not answer my question.

Yes...I did. So unless, you are insistent that the exact words "faith alone" appear in the verse, then you should move on to explaining why you believe that this verse does not teach sola fide. Saying that I have not answered your question is simply false. Saying that I have not answered it to your satisfaction would be more accurate.

Works of the law, or works we can boast of, are not required for salvation. I already agree with that. Faith is required. I agree with that. The verse you posted did not state, or teach, that we are saved by faith alone. Please list just one verse or passage that teaches we are saved by faith "alone". Thank you.

I already have.

Would you please explain to me how obedience is not a work? And also how obedient one must be in order to be saved?

[diamond6]

What if Michael Schiavo had accepted Jesus into his heart fifteen years ago, and still did what he did?

[Frumanchu]

What if Michael Schiavo had accepted Jesus into his heart fifteen years ago, and still did what he did?

What if you had accepted Jesus into your heart fifteen years ago, and still spoke evil of someone you knew, told a lie, and had inappropriate thoughts once about someone to whom you were not married?

[jkl1122]

Scripture teaches that works of the law, or works of the flesh, which are meritorious works of which we can boast, are not required for salvation. However, we are commanded to believe(Romans 10:17), repent of our sins(Acts 2:38), confess that Jesus Christ is the Son of God(Romans 10:9-10), and be baptized for the remission of our sins(Mark 16:16,Acts 2:38,Romans 6:4). We are also expected to continue to "walk in the light" (1 John 1:7).

[diamond6]

Then doesn't that give a person carte blanch to do whatever they want, or commit great immoral sins, as long as they have accepted Jesus into their heart?

I'm not asking to provoke or start an argument, I'm simply asking.

[jkl1122]

Once you are a Christian, if you repent of your sins, God will forgive them. However, if you go back to a life of sin and never repent of that, if you die you will die in your sin and be lost.