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A Call For Change
The Buffalo News ^ | 03/12/05 | Paula Voell

Posted on 03/15/2005 11:27:35 AM PST by corpus

The laity must get more involved in the governance and operations of the Catholic Church, leading theologian says

The Roman Catholic Church is at a critical juncture, one that requires radical and fast-moving reform, according to an American theologian.

"I think we have 20 years and then we've lost everybody," said Paul F. Lakeland, who was interviewed by phone from Fairfield University in Connecticut, where he is professor of Catholic Studies.

On Thursday, Lakeland brought his message to Buffalo for the conference "The Liberation of the Laity," also the title of his book, named by the National Catholic Press Association as the best theology book of 2004.

Held at Christ the King Seminary, the event was co-sponsored by the Diocesan Office of Church Ministry. "This is the first time I've come to this kind of assembly since I've been in Buffalo," said Bishop Edward Kmiec, who welcomed the 183 participants representing staff and volunteers from around the diocese. "I want to affirm you in your ministry. You have something you love and you want to share it."

Before he left, Kmiec added: "I wish I could go around and shake hands with all of you ... but I have to go to work."

Lakeland said this was the first time he'd spoken at the invitation of a diocese. "I hope it won't be my last," he added.

For too long, Lakeland said, the laity has been treated as if it's the "apostolate of the second string. Then when the starting team gets tired, the coach turns to the bench and says, "Get out there and do the best you can.'"

But the laity and the church deserve better treatment than that, Lakeland suggests, theologically based on their membership in the church, which begins with Baptism.

The main problem affecting the contemporary church, Lakeland said, is that it operates out of a structure of oppression. "One thing that's clear is that the laity has no official role in leadership or governance," Lakeland said. "I'm not saying that the bishops are running around and hitting people over the head, but people are kept in infantilized positions.

"It's different than it was at the end of the 18th century when the dominant structure of the American church was lay trusteeship where parishes were owned and managed by a corporation of lay people, but we got away from that because Rome got nervous when they fired pastors," he said.

Lakeland said he doesn't want to pit people against each other or say that there are "bad people and good people," but he wants to see the church structure revamped and revitalized.

"There isn't a place to even have civil discourse," said Lakeland. "You can have as many good ideas as you like, but if you can't get through the system, you'll have little impact."

For starters, he suggests that the laity become conversant with church history to learn how the institution operated in the past. For example: clergy were once allowed to marry; members once owned and ran parishes; communities of faith helped select their bishop, who remained with them.

"It's not that we can pluck things from the third century and say that they'll work now," said Lakeland, "but at least we can know that some of these things have been done and they aren't against the nature of the church. It's very freeing to have that kind of information."

Lakeland said that the laity can be the "teachers of accountability," adding that the system of having a lone priest living in a rectory and being accountable only to himself can too easily give rise to such abuse, to alcoholism and to other problems.

Lakeland alleges that had the laity been more vocal and held the clergy accountable - "to at least live up to the demands of secular society" - the sexual abuse scandal could have been considerably lessened.

But for too long: "It was as if the laity had been put in a lock box in the theology room with a note: "not needed for the voyage,' " he said.

That has left the church with members who haven't acted as adults. "We are children of the Lord," said Lakeland, "not children of the Bishops.

"Becoming adult is a major theme. Adults, in the end, have to make their own decisions. They pay serious attention to the church, give the church benefit of the doubt, but in the end they go where they go."

"If we can't present younger members with a church that allows them to be adults, then they won't come trotting back," he said.

Lakeland offered suggestions for ways in which laity could become more involved: a periodic performance review of clergy and bishops; learning church history; integrating seminarians into the life of parishes; expressing their opinions to their pastors; participating in the selection of pastors and bishops; supporting colleges, universities and other places where a free exchange of ideas is allowed; giving preferential treatment to women in responsible roles within the church; open meetings by the National Council of Bishops.

One encouraging change Lakeland sees is the 45,000 lay ecclesial ministers (pastoral ministers and directors of religious education, for example) who have taken on roles once reserved for priests.

"Parish clergy understand the need for more lay involvement and the bishops may understand it, but they are more close-mouthed about any structural changes," Lakeland said. "It's tough to get bishops to open up on these issues because they tend to look over their shoulders to Rome. And even if they think "maybe,' they say "no.'"

In Lakeland's view, it's an unstoppable process that married men will become priests, as some already have done by joining from other denominations. "It's only a few," Lakeland said, "but it's evidence that the church thinks it's perfectly possible."

The second group to be re-admitted, he believes, will be priests who resigned. "Many would be more than willing to return to the ranks and that would be a short term solution to the shortage, but Rome is unlikely to do that quickly because they think of them as abandoning that which should not be abandoned."

Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. "So, you can draw your own conclusions," he said. "Either the pope isn't teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing."

Lakeland said that lay involvement is not a panacea for all the problems confronting today's church, but he thinks that the laity is poised and prepared to take a much more responsible role.

"Protestant churches do lay involvement much better," he said. "My Protestant friends tell me horror stories and say they hope we know what we're getting into. But I say it's better to have the problems of adults than the problems of children.

"What's central to the church isn't the structure - it's that the church should be a community of equals," he said. "And I don't think there will be any significant change unless ordinary people make changes right in their own parishes."


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1 posted on 03/15/2005 11:27:37 AM PST by corpus
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To: corpus
Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. "So, you can draw your own conclusions," he said. "Either the pope isn't teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing."

Maybe he's in schism from himself.
2 posted on 03/15/2005 11:49:26 AM PST by te lucis (Our Lady is insulted, let us go forth and fight! -Cristeros hymn)
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To: corpus
Kinda liked some of what was said till I got to this part.

"Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. 'So, you can draw your own conclusions,' he said. 'Either the pope isn't teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing.' "

Strange that Lakeland doesn't allow for a third option. That Lakeland is totally off in his conclusions.

The majority of CINOs believe that abortion is OK. This must be another case of the Pope not teaching properly or not teaching the proper thing.

I don't know much about Catholic Church history or the reasons why they do things the way they do, but when I investigated an issue I found troubling, I have always found the Church's reasons to be sound.

Best Regards

Sergio
3 posted on 03/15/2005 11:51:43 AM PST by Sergio (If a tree fell on a mime in the forest, would he make a sound?)
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To: corpus

The author has forgotten that while the US is a democracy, the Church is not, nor will it ever. The utilization of democracy in a church setting doesn't work. Look to our brothers in the Episcopal church. With democracy as a model of government within the church, you have no objective truth. All truths are determined by the whim of the current culture. We, as Christians, must recall what Christ said about the "world" and its "wisdom". Christ is counter-culture, so the Church is not meant to be a microcosm of culture.

I do agree that the Church should be held accountable. But as always happens, the pendulum is swinging too far. To say the Church has 20 years, if nothing happens, is an amazing lack of faith in the One who has secured the Church's history, Christ. Lay usurping of Church authority is not the answer. Oversight is one thing, but taking away the Bishop's role as shepherd of the flock is another.

Regards


4 posted on 03/15/2005 11:51:50 AM PST by jo kus
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To: Siobhan; Canticle_of_Deborah; broadsword; NYer; Salvation; sandyeggo; american colleen; ...
"Catholics" advocating heresy alert!

Excerpts from article above:

Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. "So, you can draw your own conclusions," he said. "Either the pope isn't teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing."

Lakeland offered suggestions for ways in which laity could become more involved: a periodic performance review of clergy and bishops; learning church history; integrating seminarians into the life of parishes; expressing their opinions to their pastors; participating in the selection of pastors and bishops; supporting colleges, universities and other places where a free exchange of ideas is allowed; giving preferential treatment to women in responsible roles within the church; open meetings by the National Council of Bishops.

5 posted on 03/15/2005 11:52:58 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("All my own perception of beauty both in majesty and simplicity is founded upon Our Lady." - Tolkien)
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To: te lucis

"What's central to the church isn't the structure - it's that the church should be a community of equals." - Lakewood.


Is he thinking he is equal to the pope? The papacy is not central to the Church? Priests aren't central to the church? Schism, te lucis? This quote makes him sound more like a heretic. Take your pick.


6 posted on 03/15/2005 11:57:32 AM PST by corpus
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To: Sergio

"Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women. "So, you can draw your own conclusions," he said. "Either the pope isn't teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing."

What a joke. Where did he get those numbers from?

And since when does the faithful dictate to the Bishop of Rome what is to be taught? Didn't this guy figure out that dissent to Paul VI caused much of the problem in the first place?

Regards


7 posted on 03/15/2005 11:57:33 AM PST by jo kus
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To: Pyro7480
[a] leading theologian says

That explains it.

8 posted on 03/15/2005 12:07:12 PM PST by Aquinasfan (Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
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To: Aquinasfan
See my comments on my blog about this
9 posted on 03/15/2005 12:08:17 PM PST by Cato1
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To: Pyro7480

What I've been saying...younger Catholics are doing one of two things:

A. They have left the Church and do not care about trying to reform it. This group is generally the offspring of the liberal gray hairs in the pews. When the older liberals die off, there are no younger liberals left to carry on the torch. This scenario is what Lakeland is afraid of and he clearly sees the future of the NO establishment.

B. OTOH, those younger Catholics who actually do go to Mass are populating either the TLM or very conservative NO Masses.

So, I'm not concerned that another liberal mouthpiece is making noise. His generation is passing and is getting nervous, ours is on the right course, and we have the blessing of having a conservative uniformity among the GenX'ers who still go to Mass.


10 posted on 03/15/2005 12:10:47 PM PST by jrny (Tenete traditionem quam tradidi vobis)
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To: jrny

"So, I'm not concerned that another liberal mouthpiece is making noise."

I would be concerned. According to the article: "Paul F. Lakeland, who was interviewed by phone from Fairfield University in Connecticut, where he is professor of Catholic Studies." He is teaching young Catholics and his books receive awards.


11 posted on 03/15/2005 12:19:56 PM PST by corpus
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To: corpus

I'm not concerned because, as I have stated, those young Catholics he is corrupting are or will soon not be going to Mass and will actually not be interested in corrupting the Church. They have and will continue to just leave, quit, and some of them also have the decency to stop calling themselves Catholics.


12 posted on 03/15/2005 12:23:02 PM PST by jrny (Tenete traditionem quam tradidi vobis)
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To: corpus

This guy's a theologian? The "queen of the sciences" has sunk to new depths if a professor of theology sounds like a union organizer.

I'd love to see his citation for the women's ordination opinion. But then, he's a professor, he must be right. Sounds great; it's really working out well for the Episcopalians.

We needed a new pastor a couple of years ago and the bishop sent diocesan staff out to pick our brains about what we needed and wanted. Anybody in the parish could have shown up. He didn't have to do that but he did.

They removed the Blessed Sacrament while we used the church for the meeting. (Hey, I was impressed.) We all got to put in our two cents worth (it was a long night) and nobody felt "guided" into agreeing with a decision that was already made. We got a pretty solid young pastor.


13 posted on 03/15/2005 12:23:15 PM PST by siunevada
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To: corpus
Boy where do you start with this? Almost each sentence deserves a correcting response.

Check out this thread: "Catholic lay leaders form group to guide bishops" - kind of a piece.

14 posted on 03/15/2005 12:25:03 PM PST by american colleen
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To: american colleen
This is a rely to all these posts. We ought to be very wary of this group. They SEEM to want to ?help the bishops in governance but they are really out to usurp their authority. How can we know this for sure? Simple...they originate in that heterodox state of Massachusetts, some of them are associated with Boston College and most of all, they are tainted by an association with the Jesuits.
15 posted on 03/15/2005 12:36:52 PM PST by veritas2002
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To: corpus
My my my so much error where do I start? Well as a member of the laity allow me to dive right in.

Re: “"I think we have 20 years and then we've lost everybody," said Paul F. Lakeland”

Polls done in 1978 showed the laity wanted the old Mass back. I doubt this fella would have agreed then nor will he agree now. He wants to use the loud mouthed and disaffected minority laity to advance “his” agenda. The second the majority of the laity goes counter to his goals, I suspect him to be the kind that is first to remind the “adults” to keep their place. We have all seen this tactic before, “we want you to speak your mind when we agree with you but shut up when it is not what we want to hear”. See College professors and liberal student groups for good examples.

Re: “"It's not that we can pluck things from the third century and say that they'll work now," said Lakeland”

So how does this affect your view of the changes made to the Mass in 1968, Mr. Lakeland?

Re: “Lakeland alleges that had the laity been more vocal and held the clergy accountable - "to at least live up to the demands of secular society" - the sexual abuse scandal could have been considerably lessened.”

I agree with this one line. I have never seen any clear doctrine that the priesthood and its Bishops are to be free of any criticism but some in the Catholic Church seem to insist all disapproval is a sin even legitimate and doctrinally correct criticism. This is true even among Tradition Catholics in SSPX chapels. I have never seen any group free from criticism that was not made worse by the situation.

Re: “Lakeland said that a majority of church-going Catholics approve the ordination of women.”So, you can draw your own conclusions," he said. "Either the pope isn't teaching properly or is not teaching the proper thing."”

Heresy is heresy. So much for the Magisterum of the Church and what it has always taught. I can think of no better example where doctrine should not be a matter for majority rule. Just because a man or woman has an opinion it does not follow it is an informed opinion. I doubt most laity has even read the Bible completely let alone the details of infallible doctrines, church history, church tradition and the like. It is too much for most and much of it is relevant to almost any topic the Church has to deal. Laity has a role but shaping Church doctrine is not one of them. They are better suited to DEFENDING doctrine even against the assaults from heretical Bishops, priests, theologians and assorted apostates.

Re: “"Protestant churches do lay involvement much better," he said.”My Protestant friends tell me horror stories and say they hope we know what we're getting into. But I say it's better to have the problems of adults than the problems of children.”

As a former Protestant I know of no Protestant Church that is not in grave error. Please consider the Episcopalian Church – pro active homosexual, pro abortion and riddled with priests who do not even believe the most basic Christian beliefs such as those outlined in the Apostles Creed. The same for many others, i.e. Presbyterian USA, United Methodist, The Quakers (Friends) and too many others too numerous to mention. I suspect these are the very Churches he admires. Show him a Bible thumping, Hell fire breathing Southern Baptist who condemns homosexuals, child molesters, women speaking in church, smoking and drinking and you will see this man blanch white at the thought. Like I said I just bet he is only interested in only select laity involvement.
16 posted on 03/15/2005 12:38:16 PM PST by Mark in the Old South (Sister Lucia of Fatima pray for us)
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To: corpus
"The laity must get more involved in the governance and operations of the Catholic Church, leading theologian says"

The first sentence gave the rest of it away. It's called decentralization and if he thinks the Church has 20 years, it is decentralization that will destroy it.

17 posted on 03/15/2005 12:40:12 PM PST by sageb1
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To: corpus

I would bet the 1996 Gallup poll (which, I think, did NOT distinguish between the faithful and the cultural Catholics) is his source of information. If that's the case, he's built his house on sand.

AMERICAN CATHOLICS AND THE NEXT POPE

A SURVEY REPORT


by ANDREW GREELEY (THE UNIVERSITY OF CHICAGO)
and MICHAEL HOUT (THE UNIVERSITY OF CALIFORNIA, BERKELEY)
This brief report will summarize the results of a survey of the attitudes of American Catholics on the kind of man they hope will be elected Pope at the next conclave, whenever that conclave will be.1 Our report is based on a telephone survey of a representative sample of 770 American Catholics conducted by the Gallup organization in March and April of 1996.

I found this through Google. It's a document at temple.edu. Real big surprise, "Catholics" want a radical departure from what they've got. Given that Gallup's sample of the Catholic population is probably flawed, it's useless as a basis for an opinion.

Boy, all these guys have been waiting for a very long time for the next Pope. I hope they have to wait longer and are greatly disappointed.


18 posted on 03/15/2005 12:46:23 PM PST by siunevada
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To: Mark in the Old South

"Like I said I just bet he is only interested in only select laity involvement."

You hit the nail on the head precisely! And again, those select laity probably have the following features:
1. Over age 50 (which means grayish haired for the most part).
2. White
3. Upper middle class/deep pocketed.
4. None of their children go to Mass and could care less about their parents' radical views.


19 posted on 03/15/2005 12:47:48 PM PST by jrny (Tenete traditionem quam tradidi vobis)
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To: te lucis

The Catholic church hasn't been teaching right "thing" for thousands of years.


20 posted on 03/15/2005 12:49:08 PM PST by ComplexUnion182
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