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To: Salvation; sinkspur

"How can 24/7 Adoration not virtually shout 'The Real Presence?'"

You really don't get it. Most of the world's Catholics will never attend one of these devotions. Most have only the slightest acquaintance with the dogma of the Real Presence due to its suppression in the Novus Ordo Liturgy. Polls bear this out.

Ask yourself--when was the last time you knelt for Communion? When did you last receive Communion on the tongue? Why has the tabernacle been removed from its central place of honor in the sanctuary? Why were the words "Mystery of faith" transposed from the liturgical text in such a way as to NOT refer to the reality of Transubstantiation? Many more such questions come to mind--but these suffice to prove my point.

In fact, Cardinal Ratzinger himself has pointed to the danger that liturgists and bishops pose by interpreting the Novus Ordo in opposition to Trent:

"It is only against this background of the effective denial of the authority of Trent, that the bitterness of the struggle against allowing the celebration of Mass according to the 1962 Missal, after the liturgical reform, can be understood. The possibility of so celebrating constitutes the strongest, and thus (for them) the most intolerable contradiction of the opinion of those who believe that the faith in the Eucharist formulated by Trent has lost its value." (speech delivered at Fontgombault, 2003.)




19 posted on 01/30/2005 11:07:16 PM PST by ultima ratio (I)
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To: ultima ratio
Ask yourself--when was the last time you knelt for Communion?
Two months ago ... at a Novus Ordo Mass in a Marianist parish in Ohio. The practice should be much more widespread, though.

When did you last receive Communion on the tongue?
Yesterday. In my regular, Arlington Diocese Parish.

Why has the tabernacle been removed from its central place of honor in the sanctuary?
It hasn't. I'll give you one guess as to where the Tabernacle is in my just built, regular Arlington Diocese Parish church.

Why were the words "Mystery of faith" transposed from the liturgical text in such a way as to NOT refer to the reality of Transubstantiation?
Because the ICEL translators are idiots (at best). I can think of far worse descriptions of them, but charity and unwillingness to violate the 8th Commandment require that I keep my speculations to myself.

36 posted on 01/31/2005 7:50:17 AM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ultima ratio
Could I get a "hooray, perpetual adoration is spreading" shout from you? Or is this your usual "woe, woe, thrice woe" post? Find the negative in everything, right?

My experience of perpetual adoration is that it reaches out to a large number of people. In addition to the scheduled adorers who committ to at least one hour per week, there are also the "visitors" who may drift in for 10 minutes or so when they drop the kids off at school or on their way to work. During my scheduled hour I see all sorts of people drift in and out. Either they haven't the stamina (yet) or the time to kneel for an hour before the Blessed Sacrament but who knows where God will take them.

Yes, there is still a long way to go in paying the Eucharist due reverence. Perpetual adoration is a good way to start on the long road back after all that's passed these several decades.

I wouldn't be detecting a little pique that others apart from the chosen few SSPXers are kneeling in humble adoration, would I? Don't worry. The fact that us Novus Ordo sinners are also getting in on the act doesn't mean that you're any less special in God's eyes.

Remember the hissy fit of the older brother in the story of the Prodigal Son when he found that his father had slain the fatted calf (or was it sheep?) for the recently returned younger wastrel after all his own faithfulness, labor and toil?

It would be a shame to go that way.

53 posted on 01/31/2005 10:05:08 AM PST by marshmallow
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To: ultima ratio; ninenot; Salvation
Are you the Baghdad Bob of faux Catholicism or the Tokyo Rose of the Marcellian schism broadcasting schismatic absurdities to faithful Roman Catholics from the land of the excommunicated?

Any thread on Roman Catholic devotion is, to the schizzies, just another advertising opportunity.

I kneel for communion and receive ONLY on the tongue and so do my wife and kids. Many who attend Novus Ordo Masses do so as well. In my hometown N.O. parish, the tabernacle is right where it belongs at the center of an altar attached to the wall behind that altar. The NO Mass is said on the usual "hot dog stand" in front of that altar. The Church itself, built in 1928, was totally restored in 2004. Despite some expressed desire by numerous parishioners, an altar rail was not newly installed but pews cluttering the altar area were removed which would make that more possible in the future. The chairs of priest and servers were moved to the side where they belong from their prior inappropriate position on the congregation side of the tabernacle.

Your quite reasonable problems with language in American N. O. liturgy should be expressed to the execrable Bishop Imesch of Joliet, Illinois, who, as head of ICEL has been fighting guerrilla warfare against JP II and his appointees on the linguistic atrocities perpetrated by ICEL. I would prefer that the discipline of Imesch be as vigorous as the discipline of your deceased and excommunicated hero but I don't make the decisions and neither do you.

This Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger whom you favorably cite: Would he be JP II's right-hand man who has never objected to the justice meted out to Marcel? Just asking!

69 posted on 01/31/2005 1:49:14 PM PST by BlackElk (Dean of Discipline of the Tomas de Torquemada Gentlemen's Club)
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