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ELCA Taskforce Recomends Non-Enforcement of Current Sex Policy
Cyberbretheren ^ | 13 Jan, 2004 | Rev. Dr. Christopher Hershman

Posted on 01/13/2005 11:02:08 AM PST by sauerkraut

The ELCA Sexuality Study Taskforce, created by the 2001 Churchwide Assembly, has recommended that the ELCA keep current policies opposing the ordination of clergy actively in same sex relationships and the blessing of same sex unions, but then advises ELCA bishops not to enforce them.

In effect this means that the taskforce is actually recommending what is known as “local option,” meaning that any bishop or congregation can do whatever they want on such issues, no matter how widely a practice may conflict with Christian teaching. Local option is not acceptable to traditional Christians because it creates chaos, confusion and division in the church by subverting genuine Christian teachings.

All people—including individuals engaged in same sex behavior--are welcome in Christian churches to receive the call to repent from sin and receive the divine gift of new life through the gracious love and forgiveness found in Jesus Christ as Lord and Savior.

However, biblical faithful ELCA members are not willing to change the Word of God in order to fit current expressions of sexual behavior that have become more prominent in western culture. Traditional Christians believe that the teachings of scripture continue to apply to Christians today and offer new life and salvation through transformed lives.

The report was “confidentially” released to ELCA clergy on January 12, 2005, and was made public at noon on January 13, 2005. It also included several “minority reports” which called for the retention and enforcement of current policies, and alternatively for radical changes for those in engaged in same sex behavior.

It was clear that the taskforce report is an attempt to appease the great super majority of ELCA members who apparently support the traditional teachings of the church on human sexual behavior—based on the Bible—which are taught by Christian churches throughout the world. Only a few, small sectarian radicals in ultraliberal denominations like the Episcopal Church and the United Church of Christ in the U.S. and the Church of Sweden in Europe, have departed from the universally held norm. The ELCA report includes statistics—based upon the number of respondents who contacted the taskforce--which indicate that only a very tiny minority of ELCA members—less than 15%--actually favor any change to current policy.

However, the ELCA is rapidly losing members--dropping from 5.2 million members to 4.9 million members since 1999--due to the reckless leadership of radical liberal leaders like ELCA Presiding Bishop Mark S. Hanson. Giving to the national church has also plummeting in the ELCA, forcing the ELCA to eliminate some 70 churchwide employees last year alone. Radical leaders like Hanson, some bishops, seminary professors and pastors, have openly created division and dissention within the ELCA by promoting policies which directly contradict the Bible and official Lutheran doctrine. The ELCA study exemplifies the great ideological disparity between national and synod level bureaucrats over and against the vast majority of the ELCA members, who remain faithful to the traditional teachings of scripture.

The taskforce report is an apparent attempt to avoid an outright schism within the ELCA by calling for no official change in policy, but then caters radicals by asking bishops to refuse to enforce these very same policies in regard to the blessing of same sex unions and the ordination of clergy openly involved in same sex behavior.

Such maneuvers appear to be the last gasps of a dying church body. How can any church body be united in mission if it can’t be united in theology, practice and biblical interpretation? How can an authentic expression of the Christian church allow for open departures from basic Christian teaching?

And how can a church body survive when it makes lip service to policies and doctrines but then turns the enforcement of those policies into some kind of joke? Could a community, for example, position speed limit signs along its roads and then ask the police to not enforce the speed limits? Would there not be serious ramifications for such reckless irresponsibility by having drivers drive at any speed they choose, and thus endangering the community as a whole?

By calling for bishops to abdicate the enforcement of discipline with clergy involved in same sex behavior for reasons of “good conscience”, the ELCA also opens the door for clergy to also demand for the acceptance of multiple partners as well as many other sexual aberrations. How could a bishop have any influence over a pastor, for example, engaged in an extramarital affair or initiating a sexual relationship with a parishioner or a member of the congregation’s youth group?

Last year, the director of the study, the Rev. Dr. James Childs, a professor at Trinity Seminary, Columbus, OH, was listed as a defendant in a successful multimillion dollar lawsuit placed against the ELCA, a Texas synod, and Trinity Seminary. This suit was directly the result of the non-enforcement of current ELCA sexuality policies in regard to a pastor who was convicted of pedophilia, child pornography and inappropriate acts with teenage boys. A lot of young people and their families suffered because of the alleged negligence of ELCA leaders in regard to the enforcement of Christian teachings and current policy in regard to clergy sexual behavior .

Apparently, the ELCA did not much mind the legal crisis and human cost which will likely now continue and begin to emerge even more frequently by not enforcing basic Christian standards of behavior.

While the ELCA taskforce may have made these specific recommendations in order to avoid an immediate schism, in the end these recommendations can only result in the complete collapse of the ELCA.

And in the meantime, other than the glee expressed by self-identified gay activists, the only real benefactors of the taskforce report will be the litigious trial lawyers.

VERBUM DEI MANET IN AETERNUM

The Rev Christopher Hershman MA STM DMin


TOPICS: Apologetics; Current Events; Mainline Protestant; Moral Issues; Religion & Culture; Theology
KEYWORDS: doctrine; elca; gay; lesbian; lutheran
Well, the ELCA is going to cook its members like frogs. Thy are slowly going to introduce people to this so that, by the time everyone realizes what has happened, it's too late. Welcome to the new and improved ****!
1 posted on 01/13/2005 11:02:09 AM PST by sauerkraut
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To: sauerkraut
I'll repeat what I wrote on the News/Activism page:

The 'local option' solution was predicted and came to be. Basically, it's all relative to how your congregation swings. The JTF2 'study guide' used the historical-critical method, as now used in seminary, and was effective revisionist propoganda on most sheople.

Property ownership for a congregation that chooses to leave the ELCA is now locked into the synod bishop's discretion, per 2003 synod and congregational constitution mandates. If he/she says no, the 'protestants' can walk, but without the property. It stays with the 'faithful', and if there aren't enough of them to run it, the synod gets the property.

I left ELCA last year. The Good Book says to flee from false teachers. Interesting to note is the ELCA's own take on 'cults', on their website. Southeast Michigan Synod's Bishop Rimbo is highly active in gay rights work, as is the ELCA's top Bishop, Hanson, and his home synod. These are the two left-most synods.

LCMS is on the fence and hotly infighting.
WELS is more conservative but has an active pro-gay faction.
One measure used by many: is the church a WCC (World Council of Churches) member? If yes, run away.

Additionally, the ELCA abortion benefit for employees (on-demand up to 20 weeks) varies significantly from their public position. That benefit was a choice of the leadership; the their Board of Pensions gave them a coverage choice in the mid-1990's. I believe the Board recommended limited abortion coverage, per their public position.

Like another poster wrote, each ELCA congregation is effectively now it's own denomination. It's doctrine can vary significantly from an ELCA church in the next town. There will likely be 'non-territorial' synods; groups of gay-friendly congregations, and groups of Bible-abiding congregations, intermixed in any given area. So much for 'unity', a purported goal of all this apostasy.
2 posted on 01/13/2005 11:42:27 AM PST by polymuser (In tension with the world)
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To: polymuser
LCMS is on the fence and hotly infighting.

You're kidding, right?

3 posted on 01/13/2005 11:59:10 AM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky
Probably not. The LCMS is in a circling firing squad mode right now. While the issues aren't as extreme as the ELCA, they are there.

As far as I know, there isn't a loud pro gay group in the LCMS. There is a pro women ordination group however.

That would be a "Bellwether" for me. If the Synod tries to push women's ordination, or passes it, I will leave my BOC on the pew, dress in sack cloth, and walk out.
4 posted on 01/13/2005 12:04:15 PM PST by redgolum
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To: Mr. Lucky

I don't have all the links saved from my infoquest last year, but I investigated other Lutheran denominations and came away with a definite 'no' for LCMS. They were heavily divided, as they were decades ago, and it sounded like serious fighting at their annual high-level meeting, which included their top people. I would suggest a current websearch on them and related topics, looking deep, including their high-level meeting minutes. There are a lot of highly unaware folks in ELCA churches; hopefully it's not the same at LCMS.


5 posted on 01/13/2005 12:22:46 PM PST by polymuser (In tension with the world)
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To: polymuser

The LCMS has always had infighting. I think it is what old Lutherans do for fun. The fighting since 2000 has been about the Synod leaders and their approach to thing like 911.

WELS has its own problems also.


6 posted on 01/13/2005 12:26:22 PM PST by redgolum
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To: redgolum

LCMS (I was a convention delegate) is divided along the lines of doctrine and practice (modern marketing schemes substituted for mission and worship). Many think that the division is over doctrine and mission but...they're just wrong AFAIC.

The feminazi voices are not as loud as they think themsleves to be.

WELS and ELS are the most likely refuge of many who will leave (my count shows about 1/3 of the 6200 "congregations") but both WELS and ELS have a an active contingent of those who prefer a "business model" approach to church as well as some trouble with their teachings regarding the Office of Holy Ministry (overly broad in respect to the practice of laymen and overly narrow in respect to the clergy themselves).


7 posted on 01/13/2005 12:38:57 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: redgolum
"The LCMS is in a circling firing squad mode right now."

An apt description.

8 posted on 01/13/2005 12:39:50 PM PST by Cletus.D.Yokel (lex orandi, lex credendi)
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To: redgolum

Well, as long as there's food!
Apparently, they are keeping gay acceptance at bay.
This was an interesting site on LCMS when I was searching: http://www.reclaimingwalther.org/


9 posted on 01/13/2005 12:40:58 PM PST by polymuser (In tension with the world)
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To: redgolum
I left the ELCA decades ago because of its drift away from Scripture. While the Missouri Synod has its share of fights, those disputes tend to be on wholly peripheral issues (ie: "can children be brought to the communion rail?) rather than basic doctrine.
10 posted on 01/13/2005 2:01:08 PM PST by Mr. Lucky
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To: Cletus.D.Yokel
WELS and ELS are the most likely refuge of many who will leave

Leave the LCMS or ELCA (or both)? What you said about the "growth" plans is true. I prefer the old liturgy, but truthfully don't mind SOME of the newer services. I just want the doctrine to be there.
11 posted on 01/13/2005 2:05:46 PM PST by redgolum
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To: sauerkraut

From the report at http://www.elcawebstatus.org/tfreport.pdf page 10:

"The majority of the responses expressed opposition to the blessing of same-sex unions and to the ordaining, commissioning, or consecrating of people in such partnerships. However, a significant number of responses expressed approval of such practices. Others proposed alternatives that would permit those congregations or synods that wish to call partnered gay and lesbian candidates to do so without making it the policy of the whole church. Still others counseled delay in decision or gave no opinion."



The numbers from the respondents (from same source):
56.2% oppose blessing & ordaining gays
23.2% approve blessing & ordaining gays
17.2% want to delay or have no opinion
3.6% favor an alternative

But, like the report says, voting shouldn't be allowable. Most especially a vote of the congregations. Heaven forbid.


12 posted on 01/13/2005 3:01:35 PM PST by polymuser (In tension with the world)
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To: redgolum
The LCMS has always had infighting. I think it is what old Lutherans do for fun.

LOL - I think ALL the synods have had infighting. Have certainly seen my fair share of it! :)

13 posted on 01/13/2005 4:23:41 PM PST by Die Zaubertuba
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To: polymuser
The 'local option' solution was predicted and came to be. Basically, it's all relative to how your congregation swings.

I should have seen this coming - ELCA congregations have already "enjoyed" this "local approach" on a variety of other topics.

The lack of a Theological backbone on issues like this is one of the things that pushed my wife over to Catholicism. I'm staying on in the (perhaps vain) hope I can still have some influence in my local church to somehow counteract the influences of the liberal synodical leadership. By all accounts we "biblical faithful ELCA members," as he puts it, still comprise a substantial majority of the ELCA.

14 posted on 01/13/2005 4:35:06 PM PST by Die Zaubertuba
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To: Mr. Lucky

I am sure you didn't mean decades ago. The ELCA has only been in existence for 17 years -- one decade and 7 years...

I don't know. The LCMS fights are sometimes pretty nasty. For instance, when I was a child my LCMS school was closed because the principal had the nerve to invite black children ohmygodalmighty to sing for a Sunday service.


15 posted on 01/13/2005 5:15:09 PM PST by MizRiz9
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To: sauerkraut

As it stands, this recommendation is to be voted on by the national assembly in August. There are lay as well as preacher delegates, and I would guess there will be a lot of jockeying before then to avoid putting this reco to an up-or-down vote. There will be some interesting fireworks in August, regardless.

One approach is to move to require a two-thirds majority. This would sink the reco without a trace, but would be difficult to pass.

The other approach is to defer voting on the reco as a whole, tabling the measure for an indefinite future. This would cause the homosexuals to raise havoc, as they are salivating to get married in "Lutheran" churches, and get jobs as preachers. This probably will not be done by the colluders in charge, UNLESS it is tacitly understood to include the "no enforcement" provision alluded to, ie the frog-in-the-saucepan analogy you cite.

Even at that, though, the homosexuals may not be willing to go along. They are demnding equal "dignity" and public approval, not just tacit acceptance.

Bottom line, schism will be a fact whether the apostates want it or not. Actually they don't much care. More than once I have read in The Lutheran, "disagree or protest if you want, just don't take it out on our 'ministries' by with-holding offerings."

The future of the ELCA as a coherent denomination will be determined in August, at the latest.


16 posted on 01/13/2005 5:49:35 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: Die Zaubertuba

While biblically faithful ELCA members may still comprise a substantial majority of the ELCA, they are so silent. And, I believe, highly uninformed (by their own choice?). Meanwhile, their children and grandchildren succumb to false teaching. Did you know the Lutheran Youth Organization of ELCA voted last year on these issues? Guess what they decided?

A friend of mine held out hope for the ECUSA, until pro-gay teaching showed up in their children's Sunday School literature. They're now in a non-denominational congregation. I've come to believe that the considerations for parents of young children (like me) vs. empty nesters is significant with these issues.


17 posted on 01/13/2005 8:19:34 PM PST by polymuser (In tension with the world)
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To: polymuser
While biblically faithful ELCA members may still comprise a substantial majority of the ELCA, they are so silent.

True.

And, I believe, highly uninformed (by their own choice?).

Also true, and unfortunately a probable cause of your first observation. Even some of the older members I've seen in congregations would rather just "not deal" with issues like this because they're afraid of conflict. Or even worse they haven't a sufficient grasp of the word to be able to debate effectively on the subject. We've drifted a long ways away from the primacy of The Word as Luther taught. It's aggravating because it was Luther that advocated getting the Word of God into the vernacular language in the first place.

Meanwhile, their children and grandchildren succumb to false teaching.

No self-respecting parent I know would subject their children to such heresy, or live in a congregation that actively advocated such. When my child starts Sunday School, I'm confident that OUR Sunday School teachers will "walk the walk." If I'm wrong, I'll follow your good friends' lead.

Problem is, if we keep leapfrogging congregations and denominations as opposed to engaging the falsehoods and working to turn the Church around (and I'm not just talking about Lutheranism), we are merely succumbing to the powers of darkness and allowing the Church to be subverted. Where do we draw the line?

Joy and Peace,

18 posted on 01/13/2005 10:55:21 PM PST by Die Zaubertuba
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To: Die Zaubertuba

"Where do we draw the line?"

I'm not sure. In the congregation we left, key leaders chose to avoid conflict, and the pastor sided with the ELCA. So, I was faced with either fighting or fleeing. I chose not to drag my young children through a spiritual environment of fighting and false teaching. Rather, we left to seek a church which will equip and armor them for the world around them with the true word (which we think we've found, and what a change!).

Comprimise here, comprimise there, pretty soon, you're really comprimised.


19 posted on 01/14/2005 5:28:22 AM PST by polymuser (In tension with the world)
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