[GirlShortstop]

If you had any smarts, you'd know Trent and its definition of the true Mass is at the heart of what all the conflict is about. The Novus Ordo subverts the propitiatory sacrifice of Christ, as well as the dogma of Transubstantiation. You need to study up a little more on the issue.

I've seen it proven otherwise by gbcdoj multiple times u.r.  Maybe if you weren't so puffed up with pride, you'd admit that the SSPX apologetics falls short time and time again because it's not TRUTH.

[ultima ratio]

You've seen no such thing. Sorry, but the arguments are all on our side. Not only is the Novus Ordo a failure--but so is the exaggerated ecumenism of this Pope. Vatican II has born no fruit. None whatsoever. That is simply a fact.

[ninenot]

"Truth? What is Truth?" (Pontius Pilate and ALL his adherents, including dead Marcel and his boyzzz.)