Posted on 09/20/2004 7:38:56 AM PDT by NYer
Taking a break from judging annulments earlier today, I visited a number of French traditionalist websites. I also had the opportunity, yesterday, to speak with a friend of mine who is a canonist from France following the situation as well as another friend who keeps tabs on the traditionalist movement in both the English and the French speaking world. Everyone agrees -- the situation has degenerated into total chaos, as nobody knows exactly what is going on with the highly-respected French SSPX clergy that have criticized what they see as the SSPX's growing rigidity.
It does appear that Rome has refused to take competency over the case, more-or-less stating that the SSPX denied Rome's jurisdiction over them when Lefebvre carried out a schismatic act through the 1988 episcopal consecrations. Beyond that, Rome refuses to comment other than to say, "Our door remains open for their return to full communion."
Beyond that, the rhetoric, polemic and accusations suggest that indeed civil war is breaking out among the laity and clergy within the SSPX's French District. In fact, two websites have now popped up that are exclusively devoted to tracing all the news stories associated with the crisis. What I find personally find interesting is that every news report, commentary, polemic, etc... mentions Fr. Aulagnier's expulsion from the SSPX around this time last year.
In the months that followed, it appears that the SSPX more-or-less tried to sweep Fr. Aulagnier's expulsion under the rug. But in so doing, even the regime currently in charge of the SSPX had to admit the important role played by Fr. Aulagnier in the founding of the SSPX. This is probably why the SSPX appeared to hope the issue would go away.
Yet it is also well-known that Fr. Aulagnier was a close friend of Fr. Laguerie as well as Fr. de Tanouarn -- two of the SSPX's leading priests. (As Fr. Laguerie's assistant, Fr. Henri appears to have just happened into the situation). It is also well-known that a number of French (and some American) SSPX priests were not happy with Fr. Aulagnier's expulsion. Therefore, I will venture to guess that the current SSPX chaos is the effect of Fr. Aulagnier's expulsion coming back to haunt Bishop Fellay. As for the particular details, this is the first time in almost fourteen years of being a traditionalist that I find the fog of war too thick to reasonably discern what is going on. (What I find even more troubling is that behind the scenes, under the flag of truce, other SSPX and traditionalist commentators with whom I am in contact have admitted to having the same problem.)
So if I can end on a personal note to the moderate SSPX clergy and their supporters who follow this blog, I'm more than happy to abide by the flag of truce and keep you guys in prayer while you fight whatever battles need to be fought, but I honestly cannot make heads-or-tails of what is happening. But like Rome has said, the door is open for you to return. I will pray that God gives you the necessary strength to walk through it.
"The confusion in the flock is caused by the Pope praying with witchdoctors and voodoo priests"
not to mention encouraging "inculturation"...
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A052rcTeepeeUS.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A022rcExitsTeepee.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A048rcBrazil.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A017rcIndianHut.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A015rcIndianChief.htm
http://www.traditioninaction.org/RevolutionPhotos/A012rcNativeHandshake.htm
God wills that no man be damned.
"...Who will have all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of truth." (1 Tim. ii.4)
Men are damned by their own sins. God's infinite justice sees to it that all who die in a state of unrepentant mortal sin are punished everlastingly.
Very interesting thread, but who knew damnation was so easy to mete out? I'll have to remember that, and skid my little tires all the way to the Library and find out just exactly which Council bestows this authority on the Laity.
And your 'sede in the morning' skit made me laugh right out loud. Oh, my goodness that was funny!
"Truth? What is Truth?" (Pontius Pilate and ALL his adherents, including dead Marcel and his boyzzz.)
Amen; and thanks
Amen. What is so tragic is he was such a proponent of EENS and he was excommunicated. I really hope he repented prior to his death
Only an insane individual could find comfort in such an evil, heretical, and insane position.
* If you are correct, then you are both heretics. See Vatican I re. the permanency of the Papacy and its remaining firm and the words of Jesus that He will be with His Church until the end of time and that He will send the Holy Ghost upon it to teach it all truth.
I don't think you realize your posts are an open admission of heresy and an open admission you have lost the Faith.
Pray "Lord be my strength and my salvation." Your immortal soul is in peril.
Session 4 : 18 July 1870
First dogmatic constitution on the Church of Christ
Pius, bishop, servant of the servants of God, with the approval of the Sacred Council, for an everlasting record.
1. The eternal shepherd and guardian of our souls [37], in order to render permanent the saving work of redemption, determined to build a Church in which, as in the house of the living God, all the faithful should be linked by the bond of one faith and charity.
2. Therefore, before he was glorified, he besought his Father, not for the apostles only, but also for those who were to believe in him through their word, that they all might be one as the Son himself and the Father are one [38].
3. So then, just as he sent apostles, whom he chose out of the world [39], even as he had been sent by the Father [40], in like manner it was his will that in his Church there should be shepherds and teachers until the end of time.
4. In order, then, that the episcopal office should be one and undivided and that, by the union of the clergy, the whole multitude of believers should be held together in the unity of faith and communion, he set blessed Peter over the rest of the apostles and instituted in him the permanent principle of both unities and their visible foundation.
5. Upon the strength of this foundation was to be built the eternal temple, and the Church whose topmost part reaches heaven was to rise upon the firmness of this foundation [41].
6. And since the gates of hell trying, if they can, to overthrow the Church, make their assault with a hatred that increases day by day against its divinely laid foundation, we judge it necessary, with the approbation of the Sacred Council, and for the protection, defense and growth of the Catholic flock, to propound the doctrine concerning the 1. institution, 2. permanence and 3. nature of the sacred and apostolic primacy, upon which the strength and coherence of the whole Church depends.
7. This doctrine is to be believed and held by all the faithful in accordance with the ancient and unchanging faith of the whole Church.
8. Furthermore, we shall proscribe and condemn the contrary errors which are so harmful to the Lord's flock.
*When one looks at your statement and one reads the Dogmatic Teachings of the Catholic Church established by Jesus, one can easily see you are a heretic.
Repent while you still have time
DO NOT PING ME. YOUR RULES REMEMBER NOT MINE. DO NOT DO IT AGAIN.
The peace offer was withdrawn but I will consider your post a counteroffer and consider it based upon your subsequent behavior.
I thought you were one who ludicrously accuses the actual Catholic Church (the one headquartered in Rome and governed by John Paul II as Peter's successor to the power of the keys) of believing that no one goes to hell.
Service to the schism is equivalent to Kerry's role as war hero before the Fulbright Committee, lying about an entire generation of those who served honorably in our military in a just cause.
I am no pagan. The pagan who said the above words was wiser than the schizzies. Unlike you, I am a Roman Catholic and will die as one (you can still repent and return, of course). <> I presume nothing more than was taught be the Roman Catholic Church in which I was raised and to which I adhere as you do not. Free will and all that.
The archschismatic's letter begins with the Marcel the Upstart's remarkable theory that the See of Peter is occupied by an antichrist, i.e. JP II. If you think that the text of that letter exonerates the old miscreant, you think wrong. Words have meanings.
Please continue to bray in the outer darkness and do NOT come home to the actual Roman Catholic Church.
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