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"This is the most frightening and disgusting thread I have ever read on Free Republic. Reminds me of reading one of Dave Hunt's anti-catholic diatribes."

I am with you 100% - and these threads seem to dominate lately - trash anyone who isn't on the right wing fringe of the Catholic Church as embracing modernism or false Catholicism - and this includes the pope. No one on the right wing fringe has mentioned that if the GOSSIP about Mr. Vere is true, then he must have repented going by his current writings - but forgiveness and charitableness doesn't seem to exist among us Catholics on FR anymore. This is pitiful and sinful, and honest to God, sometimes I think the religious threads do more damage to Christianity than they do good - or even help. It didn't used to be like this, I remember learning stuff about my faith from people who were much more spiritually advanced than I.

Anyhow, I really don't post here much anymore because after I finish reading most of the comments, I am just too drained and demoralized. Thanks for listening to my rant!

Colleen

"This is pitiful and sinful, and honest to God, sometimes I think the religious threads do more damage to Christianity than they do good - or even help."

Then tell Madrid and Vere to quit digging in the dirt and looking to make money off a crisis in the Church with another book which aims at telling everyone about a very small handful of people who that they think they're Holier Than the Pope. That's adding to the damage, and deepening the divisiveness. If anything, this thread should prove that fact to be the case.

Only in this stupid age in history could somebody be told they're out of the Church for being stick-in-the-mud loyal to Catholic doctrine and the sublimity of proper liturgical practice.

Another thing about the world extreme as in extreme traditionalists: the truth doesn't admit of variation of degree such that one can plot a middle course. It's bad predication to begin with. Truth, in fact, does lie at the extreme end of it's contrary.

It is, moreover, the tactic of Modernism itself to pit left against right in order to plot a middle course, and direct that course to its own ends. Those ends are not the same aims of the Church; the Church's aims will always and ever be the salvation of souls. That's it. But there's no doubt what the authors intend: to gather alignment of the Church for movement in a particular direction.

But the truth and doctrine are immutable, and the Church is constant and does not move in a direction. It's all perennial.

Lately these dog fight threads have been scaring me away too. Even during Lent there was bloodshed.

In this time of turmoil in the Church I wonder how many of us really do see the situation clearly.

I have formed an admittedly tentative opinion about what is happening in the Church right now but I could very well be wrong and pray daily for wisdom and discernment. Meanwhile I keep going to Mass at my N.O. church. There is no Indult, no Eastern rite , no SSPX for me to run away to and it is that way for millions of other Catholics.

"forgiveness and charitableness doesn't seem to exist among us Catholics on FR anymore."

Hey, if a fellow commits murder, and he later repents and confesses, that may make it fine with God, but here on Earth, I am still going to want him get the needle for his evil deed. It is not like all one has to do is confess and then everything is back to square one here on the good earth.