[pascendi]

"This is pitiful and sinful, and honest to God, sometimes I think the religious threads do more damage to Christianity than they do good - or even help."

Then tell Madrid and Vere to quit digging in the dirt and looking to make money off a crisis in the Church with another book which aims at telling everyone about a very small handful of people who that they think they're Holier Than the Pope. That's adding to the damage, and deepening the divisiveness. If anything, this thread should prove that fact to be the case.

Only in this stupid age in history could somebody be told they're out of the Church for being stick-in-the-mud loyal to Catholic doctrine and the sublimity of proper liturgical practice.

Another thing about the world extreme as in extreme traditionalists: the truth doesn't admit of variation of degree such that one can plot a middle course. It's bad predication to begin with. Truth, in fact, does lie at the extreme end of it's contrary.

It is, moreover, the tactic of Modernism itself to pit left against right in order to plot a middle course, and direct that course to its own ends. Those ends are not the same aims of the Church; the Church's aims will always and ever be the salvation of souls. That's it. But there's no doubt what the authors intend: to gather alignment of the Church for movement in a particular direction.

But the truth and doctrine are immutable, and the Church is constant and does not move in a direction. It's all perennial.

[sinkspur]

Then tell Madrid and Vere to quit digging in the dirt and looking to make money off a crisis in the Church with another book which aims at telling everyone about a very small handful of people who that they think they're Holier Than the Pope. That's adding to the damage, and deepening the divisiveness. If anything, this thread should prove that fact to be the case.

I'm sure Madrid will back off when the likes of Ferrara, and Drolesky, and Gumaraes, and Michael Matt back off their integrist trashing of the Novus Ordo and the Church.

Those who support the Pope, the Novus Ordo according to the GIRM, and Vatican II are subjected to endless screeds from angry integrists, hurling every epithet they can think of at the post-Conciliar Church.

When someone challenges them, the traddies howl like stuck pigs and scream "unfair."

If Madrid wanted to really do God's work, he'd post a page a day from his book on this forum for the next nine months.

You are being disingenuous by screaming "divisiveness" when that's what the trads on this forum have been about for the last three years!

No pity party for you.

[american colleen]

Then tell Madrid and Vere to quit digging in the dirt and looking to make money off a crisis in the Church with another book which aims at telling everyone about a very small handful of people who that they think they're Holier Than the Pope.

Last I checked we are living in a free country and no one is prohibited from writing what they please - just as no one is forced to buy their wares.

And I'd take you a bit more seriously when you say something like 'Then tell Madrid and Vere to quit digging in the dirt and looking to make money off a crisis in the Church..' if you ascribed like motives to writers like Thomas A. Droleskey or Atila Sinke Guimarães or Marian T. Horvat or Michael J. Matt or John Vennari - but we can't do that, right? Because we cannot know the state of their souls and minds or what motivates them.