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To: BlackElk
Does the Novus Ordo Mass convey to the participants in the pews the same graces as are conveyed by the Tridentine Mass.

No, because at worst it's inavlid at best it less pleasing to God.

And please don't tell me that God is equally pleased with girls dressed like Britany Spears chewing gum and receiving Communion in the hand than he is with people who took the time to dress appropriately and prepare adequately for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Holy Communion.

502 posted on 07/17/2004 2:32:10 PM PDT by Grey Ghost II
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To: Grey Ghost II
receiving Communion in the hand

What's wrong with communion in the hand?

All the solitaries in the desert, where there is no priest, take the communion themselves, keeping communion at home. And at Alexandria and in Egypt, each one of the laity, for the most part, keeps the communion, at his own house, and participates in it when he likes. For when once the priest has completed the offering, and given it, the recipient, participating in it each time as entire, is bound to believe that he properly takes and receives it from the giver. And even in the church, when the priest gives the portion, the recipient takes it with complete power over it, and so lifts it to his lips with his own hand. (St. Basil of Caesarea, Epistle 93)

And please don't tell me that God is equally pleased with girls dressed like Britany Spears chewing gum ... than he is with people who took the time to dress appropriately and prepare adequately for the Holy Sacrifice of the Mass and Holy Communion.

That's confusing the issue. Persons who dress inappropriately can show up at a Tridentine too. You're confusing the rite with the people who come to it.

The question is quite simple: at a Novus Ordo, celebrated reverently according to the rubrics, is Christ offered as a propitiatory sacrifice to the Father? And when a communicant receives Communion at a Novus Ordo service, does he receive Christ both spiritually and sacramentally? Those who say that the Novus Ordo has no efficacy but only validity must say: no, Christ is not so offered as a sacrifice at a Novus Ordo Mass and no, Christ is received only sacramentally, but no grace is given and therefore He is not received spiritually.

504 posted on 07/17/2004 2:40:48 PM PDT by gbcdoj (No one doubts ... that the holy and most blessed Peter ... lives in his successors, and judges.)
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To: Grey Ghost II
No, because at worst it's inavlid at best it less pleasing to God

Did God send you a note telling you so?

Please post a cc on the FR boards.

Otherwise, your statement is not only ridiculous on its face, but likely heretical.

517 posted on 07/17/2004 4:51:48 PM PDT by ninenot (Minister of Membership, TomasTorquemadaGentlemen'sClub)
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