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To: flevit
Folks, I could care less where Peter and Paul were martyred.
Peter being crucified in Rome does not mean Peter was a Pope or founded the Catholic Church. None of us were alive when any of this took place. We did not see any of it. Let's face it, anyone can make any discovery they have look like it proves whatever they want it to prove. Just because I walk in to a Hanes Hosiery plant and die there does not mean I am a pair of socks or underwear or a Hanes Hosiery employee.

The only thing any of any of us need to know is that Jesus Christ died and rose again so that you and I could be in Heaven with him. We are saved by grace through faith plus nothing else. WHOSO EVER SHALL CALL UPON THE NAME OF THE LORD SHALL BE SAVED!!!!! Saying any number of Hail Mary's is not going to save your soul. The Pope is not going to save your soul. In fact, there is nothing anyone can do to grant any of us salvation, that is gift only Jesus Himself can give. The gift of salvation is given to who so ever will accept the free gift. Only Jesus Christ can give any of us the FREE gift of salvation. Jesus is the only one who died for us. I am thankful that Jesus removed the wall between us and God the Father that we can boldly approach the throne of Grace and personally ask of the Father whatever it is we have need.
76 posted on 04/21/2004 5:39:37 PM PDT by ChevyZ28 (Most of us would rather be ruined by praise, than saved by criticism.)
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To: ChevyZ28
Saying any number of Hail Mary's is not going to save your soul. The Pope is not going to save your soul. In fact, there is nothing anyone can do to grant any of us salvation, that is gift only Jesus Himself can give. The gift of salvation is given to who so ever will accept the free gift.

You don't know how confused this is or what ignorance it shows of the Catholic faith. The gift of salvation is given to who so ever will accept the free gift. But HOW does it come about? It won't necessarily come as it did to Paul, through a personal encounter with the Lord. More often it will come through the instrumentality of another human being, as it did to the Ethiopian. It may even come through saying the Rosary for someone whose heart is seeking the Lord. Or it may come as it came to Augustine when the the sound of children at play calling to one another, Pick it up, pick it up, caused the saint to pick and read the copy of Romans by his side. God works through his creation, which is why He became incarnate.

78 posted on 04/21/2004 6:10:21 PM PDT by RobbyS (JMJ)
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