[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Mack and I were just discussing this:)

It's a mystery to our finite minds how God could put His sovereingty aside to allow for our freewill. His grace came in that He called all men. He did not give us freewill with no direction. The direction is there from Him, just do we follow it. He could very easily have given us our freewill but no call and seen how many of us found/accepted Him. Yikes! So in reality it is His grace that saved us.

We had a Sunday School lesson awhile back where the teacher showed from the bible that ALL men are born believing in God. The desire to know Him is in us. You learn to be athiest.

Becky

[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

I meant to add, that because of His Grace in calling us, He DOES get all the glory for our salvation.

The Calvinists seem to be saying that we who believe in Freewill are robbing God of the glory of our salvation, and giving the credit to ourselves. That is totaly false. Without His calling none of us would have found Him. IMO:)

Becky

[SoothingDave]

We had a Sunday School lesson awhile back where the teacher showed from the bible that ALL men are born believing in God. The desire to know Him is in us. You learn to be athiest.

Interesting. I think all are born with a "God-shaped hole" that they have a desire to fill. This explains why there are no societies in existence, ever, that have not had some type of spirituality. There is definitely somethign lacking and man is pre-disposed to worship and believe something.

Atheism, in this context, is basically denial of this need. It's a psychological construct, a defense mechanism.

SD