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To: SoothingDave
"Know" does not mean "cause." God knows who is damned. God does not cause their damnation by failing to provide them with grace.

With God Know is the same thing as ordained as He knows because it is a part of His plan .

You believe men can earn grace. Protestants believe that grace is GODS UNMERITED FAVOR . As such He can freely shower it on who He will when He will.

But you guys don't accept free will. You make God's will everything. Which means God is responsible for the damnation of those. No matter how much you protest. Making God's will the highest thing leads you to this.

Wow that is just awful isn't it? Who does He think he is anyway God or something ?

No man will be in hell that does not deserve to be there. God does not need to apologize for His Justice or His Mercy

4,023 posted on 04/13/2004 1:29:42 PM PDT by RnMomof7 (Broomstick Jockey)
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To: RnMomof7; SoothingDave
With God Know is the same thing as ordained

And therein lies the difference.

I do not equate Omniscience with Determinism (or "Foreknowledge" with "Predestination", if you prefer those terms).

4,025 posted on 04/13/2004 1:33:03 PM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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To: RnMomof7
You believe men can earn grace.

No, I don't.

But you guys don't accept free will. You make God's will everything. Which means God is responsible for the damnation of those. No matter how much you protest. Making God's will the highest thing leads you to this.

Wow that is just awful isn't it? Who does He think he is anyway God or something ?

No man will be in hell that does not deserve to be there. God does not need to apologize for His Justice or His Mercy

This will be the 4th time asking. If the men in hell deserve to be there cause they could never choose the good, who made them that way? Are they more sovereign than God, able to create their own motives and actions? Or are they just doing what is in God's plan?

SD

4,031 posted on 04/13/2004 1:40:48 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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