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To: JohnnyM; ksen; BibChr; snerkel; RnMomof7; Alex Murphy; lockeliberty; drstevej; Wrigley
You're saying that God's "foreknowledge" of your salvation is merely an awareness of your accomplishment, since it was you who ultimately made the final decision to believe in Him. God looked down the tunnel of time, saw your decision to believe, and thus He saved you.

Unfortunately, this differs not at all with the works-based salvation preached by Romanists and Arminians alike. Through some innate, higher ability on your part, you have chosen wisely, while those who are less righteous, logical, intelligent, or intuitive than you, have chosen poorly.

Additionally, if God "sees" your actual choice ahead of time, how do you imagine you could ever do anything else BUT make the decision to follow Christ? If something exists in the mind of God (especially your name among the elect,) it has existed for all time, and is irrevocable.

So if we are God's creations, as He made us, and if God is "aware" that you will choose Christ and are saved through that choice, could you ever have done anything else?

If the answer is no, then your choice is not really a choice, but part of God's eternal plan for His creation.

And that is part of the great comfort of Christ, but so many choose to miss it.

Likely, you may come back with the old saw, "Why can't 'free will' be part of God's plan?"

And I will respond (trying to hurry up this conversation on Good Friday) with the question to you, "Is there 'free will' in heaven?"

You may be confounded by this question, and come back with the accusation, "Why would God make us robots in order to force us to love Him?"

And my answer to that would be the same as it always is...

"If believing that God is God and I am not; if believing every leaf that falls from the trees is ordained by God Himself; if believing the hairs on my head are all numbered; if believing God ordained the end from the beginning; if believing no one knows the names of the elect whom God chose from all races and nations of the world before time began; if believing God's plan for creation was written in the heavens before the foundation of the world; if believing Christ's sacrifice is the very purpose for all existence; then I am a fortunate and happy robot-sheep in God's regenerated and redeemed woolly flock.

Ewe should be so lucky. 8~)

2,890 posted on 04/09/2004 12:35:03 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
You're saying that God's "foreknowledge" of your salvation is merely an awareness of your accomplishment, since it was you who ultimately made the final decision to believe in Him. God looked down the tunnel of time, saw your decision to believe, and thus He saved you.

That is exactly what I understood HarleyD to be saying in his #2,883.

If the answer is no, then your choice is not really a choice, but part of God's eternal plan for His creation.

I take it, then, that you view "free will" as an illusion?

And that is part of the great comfort of Christ, but so many choose to miss it.

In what way do you see this as comforting? I'm genuinely curious.

Likely, you may come back with the old saw, "Why can't 'free will' be part of God's plan?"

Would you say that it is impossible that "free will" would be part of God's plan?

2,892 posted on 04/09/2004 12:41:41 PM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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