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To: Dr. Eckleburg; HarleyD
You're saying that God's "foreknowledge" of your salvation is merely an awareness of your accomplishment, since it was you who ultimately made the final decision to believe in Him. God looked down the tunnel of time, saw your decision to believe, and thus He saved you.

That is exactly what I understood HarleyD to be saying in his #2,883.

If the answer is no, then your choice is not really a choice, but part of God's eternal plan for His creation.

I take it, then, that you view "free will" as an illusion?

And that is part of the great comfort of Christ, but so many choose to miss it.

In what way do you see this as comforting? I'm genuinely curious.

Likely, you may come back with the old saw, "Why can't 'free will' be part of God's plan?"

Would you say that it is impossible that "free will" would be part of God's plan?

2,892 posted on 04/09/2004 12:41:41 PM PDT by malakhi (L'shana haba'ah b'Yerushalayim!)
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To: malakhi
Would you say that it is impossible that "free will" would be part of God's plan?

Only the Free-Will that would allow you to not act according to your nature.

2,893 posted on 04/09/2004 12:47:49 PM PDT by ksen (This day we fight! By all that you hold dear on this good earth I bid you stand, Men of the West!)
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To: malakhi; snerkel; ksen; RnMomof7; HarleyD; Alex Murphy
Would you say that it is impossible that "free will" would be part of God's plan?

Old Saw #2 is really a restatement of Old Saw #1.

I look to Scripture for answers, as we've been instructed to do. Do you find anything in Scripture that says man's sovereign will must be a part of God's plan?

Instead, I think we find hundreds of passages which attest to God's singular, omniscient, perfect decree as being the sole motivating force in all existence. Within that reality, we recognize our place.

"According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love: Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will." -- Ephesians 1:4-5.

In what way do you see this as comforting?

How could you not see this as comforting?

If our salvation, our eternal bliss in Paradise, is assured and actually brings pleasure not only to ourselves but to God, the creator of the universe, how much more comfort do we need?

2,921 posted on 04/09/2004 1:30:24 PM PDT by Dr. Eckleburg (There are very few shades of gray.)
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