[PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain]

Listen to you putting down OSAS.

The one I asked the other day if you died tonight would you go to heaven without a doubt and you answered without a doubt!

You hypocrite! The Catholic church you claim to follow teaches if you claim that you KNOW your saved you are cursed and dammed. Spin it anyway you want but thats what you posted, and the always on guard SoothingDave blew right by hoping no one would notice.

In order to say I know without doubt I'm going to heaven you HAVE to believe in OSAS.

BigMack

[IMRight]

My getting "1776" really getting you down, eh Mack?

I believe I said "without a doubt because I get points for putting up with YOU". Which really isn't the same thing as falling for the error of OSAS.

And no. You DON'T need to believe in OSAS to "know you're going to heaven" unless you equate "going to heaven" with OSAS. And again you mis-state the church's position on the matter. You simply can't believe that there is no way to fall away. You can have absolute security in the fact that Christ has done His work and the He will remain faithfull. You just can't know whether you will compelte the race.

I know all this is hard for you (not an insult - a ) but you're stuck with Steven being a liar and you miss-"sensing" (or whatever the heck the spirit gives you to identify another brother in Christ) him.

I have no such stumbling block.

[SoothingDave]

The one I asked the other day if you died tonight would you go to heaven without a doubt and you answered without a doubt!

You hypocrite! The Catholic church you claim to follow teaches if you claim that you KNOW your saved you are cursed and dammed.

Uh, no it doesn't.

Spin it anyway you want but thats what you posted, and the always on guard SoothingDave blew right by hoping no one would notice.

Actually, I had assumed he was fresh out of confession and had not committed any mortal sins. It's called being in a state of grace.

SD