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To: PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
My getting "1776" really getting you down, eh Mack?

I believe I said "without a doubt because I get points for putting up with YOU". Which really isn't the same thing as falling for the error of OSAS.

And no. You DON'T need to believe in OSAS to "know you're going to heaven" unless you equate "going to heaven" with OSAS. And again you mis-state the church's position on the matter. You simply can't believe that there is no way to fall away. You can have absolute security in the fact that Christ has done His work and the He will remain faithfull. You just can't know whether you will compelte the race.

I know all this is hard for you (not an insult - a ) but you're stuck with Steven being a liar and you miss-"sensing" (or whatever the heck the spirit gives you to identify another brother in Christ) him.

I have no such stumbling block.

1,782 posted on 04/05/2004 1:22:40 PM PDT by IMRight
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To: IMRight; Invincibly Ignorant; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain
I know all this is hard for you (not an insult - a ) but you're stuck with Steven being a liar and you miss-"sensing" (or whatever the heck the spirit gives you to identify another brother in Christ) him.

Steven is not lying now and he wasn't lying then. He simply changed.

And the OSAS people have been clear, when questioned, that the only one whose salvation they can be assured of is their own. They can tell a thired party "if you're truly saved, you'll never lose it" but they can't judge another.

There is still much problematic with the theory, but this isn't one of them.

SD

1,785 posted on 04/05/2004 1:26:48 PM PDT by SoothingDave
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To: IMRight
You're an idiot.

BigMack
1,786 posted on 04/05/2004 1:27:06 PM PDT by PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain (Proud member of the Lunatic Fringe, we love Spam, Uzi's and Jesus)
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To: IMRight; PayNoAttentionManBehindCurtain; Invincibly Ignorant; CindyDawg
I believe I said "without a doubt because I get points for putting up with YOU". Which really isn't the same thing as falling for the error of OSAS.

How simple is it? If you're saved, you're saved. It doesn't depend upon your arbitrary definition of OSAS. If your left leg is cut off it is cut off. Period. End of story.

If the Lord has "saved" you do you think He will change his mind? Do you think He will say "oh you committed a sin today and you haven't had a chance to confess it"?

Pay attention now, it is not you who determines whether you are saved or not, it is the Lord. Therefore OSAS!

I know all this is hard for you (not an insult - a ) but you're stuck with Steven being a liar and you miss-"sensing" (or whatever the heck the spirit gives you to identify another brother in Christ) him.

I have no such stumbling block.


Your stumbling block is you are a blind, sick puppy who has somehow missed the idea that God loves us all.

1,802 posted on 04/05/2004 1:46:01 PM PDT by OLD REGGIE (I am most likely a Biblical Unitarian?)
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