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A Freeper Review of The Passion of Christ
Vanity | 2/21/04 | John Fields

Posted on 02/21/2004 3:50:43 PM PST by jonboy

I'm not sure where to start. I'm a fellow Freeper who also happens to be minister. I was invited today to see a screening of the Passion of the Christ at our local theater. I have been fascinated, and you might even be able to say obsessed with this movie ever since I heard about it a few months ago and first saw the trailer (I cried every time I saw it).

Given that I have watched and listened to several interviews and read several news stories about this movie I was as prepared as I thought I could be to watch it. I HAVE NEVER BEEN THROUGH ANYTHING LIKE THIS MOVIE! I sobbed, I throbbed, my Kleenex became a fairly useless mess that occupied the hand not tightly gripping the seat. IT WAS HARD TO WATCH. The cruelty was overwhelming, but approximated what we have a glimpse from in scripture. The violence and horror of what was done to Him nearly overwhelming, but not gratuitous as some have claimed.

As to the charges of anti-semitism, I can understand how a Jew who does not believe that Jesus is their Messiah would be frightened by this film. However, it was NOT anti-semitic. I could just as easily be moved to be against Italians for what the Romans did as I could be against the Jews. If one were inspired to hate the perpetrators if this event, they would be anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, anti-Arab, anti-Japanese, and anti-__________ (fill in your own blanks). I was filled with the grim overwhelming knowledge of my own guilt as much as anything else. As I watched Him writhing in pain, the ribs virtually exposed from the beating that He had taken, as I watched His shoulder ripped out of socket as they stretched his hand to make it to the pre-drilled nail hole, as I watched the blood flowing and the breath ripped from His body from the pain, one thing entered into my mind above all else. I PUT HIM THERE! He could have come down, He could have called in excess of ten-thousand angels. He could have stopped that horrible mockery and evil in its tracks by coming down off of that cross, healing His own wounds, and then saying go to it boys as He releases the angels to take care of business. BUT HE DIDN'T. I am in awe.

I admit that I has moments when I felt like ripping the Jewish and Roman perpetrators apart. How dare they laugh in the face of such agony! How dare they spit on Him! How dare they stand in pompous, arrogant, self-righteous judgment of the King of Kings and Lord of Lords (how dare MYSELF go on sinning after what He did for me)! But as the High Priest is walking away from making fun and mocking. He hears Jesus softly say, taking up precious breath, "Father forgive them, they don't know what they are doing." The High Priest pauses in uncomfortable silence, then walks on. Later, after Jesus has died and the earthquake has damaged the temple and they are very aware that they have done something terribly wrong the High Priest is seen crying out and holding his face in grief and horror.

This movie was about love and forgiveness and about our sin and what God and His Son did together about that sin. It is about the horrible things that men do to their fellow men which can still be forgiven if they will but repent. Some of the Jews were depraved and some were compassionate. Some of the Romans were depraved, and some of them were inclined towards compassion. Anti-Jewish? NO WAY! Besides, the early church was exlusively Jewish. The movie is not about Mel Gibson having some kind of point to prove to anyone, let alone the Jews. It was Mel's passion, a labor of love. Will it profit Him? Unbelievably! Did he do it for the money, not a chance.

Were there any liberties taken with the scripture? Maybe a few. Poetic/artistic license was taken to a degree. There were some scenes with Judas that were extra Biblical, but imaginable. Surprisingly, he was shown as a somewhat sympathetic character, which is something I've felt to a degree for him. I doubt that he was a completely depraved man, he just wanted to speed things along so that Jesus would have to rise to the throne and have to take His true place. When he realized he had been horribly mis-lead he admitted guilt but then went out and killed himself. There was a scene in which the unrepentant thief had his eyes pecked out by a crow. I thought that didn't gel well with the theme of forgiveness and should have been left out. It seemed to represent Divine retribution since the thief had just been blaspheming Jesus. But the cross wasn't about retribution, that will come later at Judgment, it was about mercy.

As to this movie being appropriate for children? That's a hard call. I think it would be best if conscientous parents screened it for themselves first. It is hard enough for mature adults to stomach. However, there is something to be said for exposing young tender hearts to the truth of what He did. Maybe knowing what He did at a younger age would lead to more mature Christians later. Again, it's an individual call.

Is this movie Catholic? Yes and no. Those who see the relationship between Jesus and Mary who are Catholic will likely see Mary as divine. Those of us who believe that Mary was a mere woman who was blessed enough to have been chosen to be the mother of the Christ will see the relationship between a mother and her Son. THIS MOVIE IS FOR ALL!!! I can wholeheartedly recommend this movie to others for personal devotion or to touch the hearts of those who are lost. I believe very much that it will be a culturally defining movie and that it will break most IF NOT ALL of the box office records both nationally and world-wide. The Lord will not be silenced. I truly feel He has spoken through this movie. Maybe its His way of saying WAKE UP before He comes again. If it is, this Christian is awake (wiping away tears).


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To: LisaMalia
Oh, I was afraid of that! Please accept my apologies. I can't help ya there. :/
141 posted on 02/21/2004 6:44:58 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: jonboy
"There was a scene in which the unrepentant thief had his eyes pecked out by a crow. I thought that didn't gel well with the theme of forgiveness and should have been left out. It seemed to represent Divine retribution since the thief had just been blaspheming Jesus. But the cross wasn't about retribution, that will come later at Judgment, it was about mercy"

At the time of Jesus life and death, there were not any BORN AGAIN people on the earth; not even his followers were born again until after His death. No one could be born again until after Jesus had paid the penalty for our sins = after Jesus' death. After Jesus' death, and his resurection, He visited with the disciples and He breathed on them (Acts), thus they were born again.

God said, "I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy". However, that changes when a person receives Jesus as their Savior. Salvation means: safety, soundness, preservation, healing, deliverance and provision. To me, salvation always represented God's extreme mercy which was available to me all the time. "His mercy is new every morning".

Thus, the "unrepentent thief" did not receive mercy .. because God is in the retribution business?? .. no! It's because people CHOOSE. The thief could have chosen repentence and received mercy .. but God is not to blame for people's choices. The scripture is clear, "It's God's desire that none should perish".

Yes, Jesus' sacrifice had a theme of forgiveness, but the forgiveness was given by God to all of humanity. There was just one requirement .. MAN HAD TO REACH OUT AND RECEIVE IT. A person does not get born again by God waving a magic wand. Man is required to do something. Man is required to activate his own faith by SAYING he believes Jesus sacrificed His life for their sins, and MAN has to receive in his heart that forgiveness from God.

The only retribution to come at Judgment will be for those who have rejected God's gift of salvation. Those who have already received salvation have been saved from judgment (the judgment and punishment Jesus received for us - in our place).
142 posted on 02/21/2004 6:46:32 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: freedox
Pope John Paul II said the movie "is as it was."

I would think that if Christ could endure it, we should be able to witness a portrayal of it on a movie screen.

143 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:05 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

which are the prayers of the saints

But WE are the saints...the Believers in Christ. Our prayers are in the bowls. I think I know the Scripture you are referring to about intercessors, cannot find it right now.

You know, these were some of MY roots...Catholicism, just like Christianity's roots are in Judaism. ;) Even though there are differences...for Believers there is still the commonality of this Jesus, who is called Christ. If you wanna talk to Mary that's just fine with me.

144 posted on 02/21/2004 6:47:14 PM PST by madison10
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To: madison10
I wasn't giving you permission...I was giving understanding. Sometimes I am a word klutz.
145 posted on 02/21/2004 6:50:21 PM PST by madison10
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To: savedbygrace
The saints are alive in Heaven with Our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, and one of those saints is His mother, Mary. She is not dead; anyone who is a Christian lives forever with Our Lord. Thanks for posting your message in public. :-)
146 posted on 02/21/2004 6:51:15 PM PST by padfoot_lover
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
Thanks to all for the info. No, our cable doesn't carry PAX. Of course, in order to do so they would probably have to get rid of Bravo, all the MTVs, VH1s, or the many foreign channels that they carry, to make room for it. Oh well.
147 posted on 02/21/2004 6:52:54 PM PST by LisaMalia (In Memory of Sgt. James W. Lunsford..KIA 11-29-69 Binh Dinh S. Vietnam)
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To: choirboy
Hmmmm? I know Catholics who do consider her divine, or having special powers. If that were not the case, why would some Catholics pray to her ..?? That seems curious to me.
148 posted on 02/21/2004 6:54:25 PM PST by CyberAnt (The 2004 Election is for the SOUL of AMERICA)
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To: Ohioan from Florida
Bishop Sheen was a wise man.

I'll borrow a Philly phrase:  da best!  :-)   Perhaps too, someday soon, we'll be absolutely right in saying "he's a Saint".   FReegards.
149 posted on 02/21/2004 6:54:42 PM PST by GirlShortstop
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To: freedox
I think one of the worst things that could happen to this film would be for Christians to unthinkingly flock to it simply to "show their support" and then wind up fleeing the theater and criticizing the film as being "too violent."

I think you make a good point, and I think it is one the author of this piece was trying to convey as well. At first, I wanted to take the whole family. I have begun to rethink that. Maybe after my husband and I view it.

150 posted on 02/21/2004 6:57:06 PM PST by Ohioan from Florida (The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.- Edmund Burke)
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To: madison10
But WE are the saints...the Believers in Christ. Our prayers are in the bowls. I think I know the Scripture you are referring to about intercessors, cannot find it right now.

Well, I think we'd have to agree to disagree here. I just checked with my wife about me being a saint, she's still laughing. :-}

You know, these were some of MY roots...Catholicism, just like Christianity's roots are in Judaism. ;) Even though there are differences...for Believers there is still the commonality of this Jesus, who is called Christ. If you wanna talk to Mary that's just fine with me.

Here, I agree with you. We are Christians.

But now I have a question for you?

Why do you use intercessors who still possess their human body to intercess for you when you can go directly to Christ the Mediator?

151 posted on 02/21/2004 6:57:15 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: CyberAnt
Hmmmm? I know Catholics who do consider her divine, or having special powers. If that were not the case, why would some Catholics pray to her ..?? That seems curious to me.

Read my posts and then get back to me. Mary is not considered divine in Catholicism. It is simply not true but it dies a hard death.

152 posted on 02/21/2004 6:59:09 PM PST by jwalsh07
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To: LisaMalia
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PAX = Satellite Direct TV

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153 posted on 02/21/2004 7:01:50 PM PST by ALOHA RONNIE (Vet-Battle of IA DRANG-1965 www.LZXRAY.com)
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To: padfoot_lover
And your scriptural source for praying to saints is . . . ?
154 posted on 02/21/2004 7:02:57 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: ALOHA RONNIE
(repost for publicity)

PAX's 'The Making of the PASSION'

9pm Sunday, February 22, 2004
9pm Tuesday, February 24, 2004
( See: http://www.PAX.tv )

(you beat me to it, AR!)
155 posted on 02/21/2004 7:04:34 PM PST by VOA
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To: Clintons a commie
Where in scripture does Elizabeth do this? As for Gabriel, you're not seriously suggesting that what an angel does indicates a permission we have, are you? (Of course, you have no scriptural support for even Gabriel praying to saints, do you?)
156 posted on 02/21/2004 7:05:17 PM PST by savedbygrace
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To: secret garden; VOA; LisaMalia
You are welcome.

LisaMalia, I have Time Warner cable, my PAX comes on Channel 7. We also have DirectTV and PAX is on Channel 255. (Houston area)

I hope this helps.

157 posted on 02/21/2004 7:05:46 PM PST by BlueAngel
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To: LisaMalia
You might be able to find something here at their website:

http://www.pax.tv/stations/list.cfm

:)

158 posted on 02/21/2004 7:06:27 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (Liberalism is Communism one drink at a time. - P.J. O'Rourke)
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To: jwalsh07
Why do you use intercessors who still possess their human body to intercess for you when you can go directly to Christ the Mediator?

ummm...Just because? I'll be right back. ;)

159 posted on 02/21/2004 7:07:06 PM PST by madison10
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