[Maximilian]

They ARE universally accepted within the Catholic Church.

No, counting the people who were attending Mass at the time of Vatican II, 80% have voted with their feet to reject Vatican II and all it stands for, most especially the atrocious "New Mass." And those who still go are generally very dissatisfied with the state of the Church. One would be a lot closer to the truth to say "Vatican II has been universally rejected except by a small coterie of liberals, especially in the hierarchy, who are quickly dying out, thank God."

[sinkspur]

No, counting the people who were attending Mass at the time of Vatican II, 80% have voted with their feet to reject Vatican II and all it stands for, most especially the atrocious "New Mass." And those who still go are generally very dissatisfied with the state of the Church. One would be a lot closer to the truth to say "Vatican II has been universally rejected except by a small coterie of liberals, especially in the hierarchy, who are quickly dying out, thank God."

How do you account for the one billion Catholics who belong to the Church today?

Your interpretation of the situation is, of course, your interpretation.

The number of people who attend the Tridentine Mass in the United States is less than a million; the number of Catholics is over 62 million.

[Salvation]

80 percent have voted with their feet. Where did you get that figure?

[Salvation]

We keep having this discussion...............People are coming to the Catholic Church!

Catholic archdiocese of Washington [D.C.] has largest ordination class in 14 years

Roman Catholic friar community growing

Retiring priests pose problem for the Archdiocese of Boston

Church Is Still Attracting Converts

Former Anglican priest ordained Catholic priest in San Francisco

Planted in tradition Orthodox churches are gaining presence, members amongst Protestants

AM - Anglican clergy defect for Catholic Church

Archdiocese has active, engaged laity (Archbishop Burke article)

[Mershon]

Eighty percent did not leave due to Vatican II and the New Mass. Most left because of Humanae Vitae after years of priests and theologians in the 1960s telling them it was OK to use contraception. After the 1968 issue of the encyclical, many decided to change their religion rather than their internal urges.