[editor-surveyor]

Did Gibson really mean to say the last twelve hours on Earth, or the last twelve hours before the crucifixion?

[editor-surveyor]

Another "Passion" thread :o)

[maestro]

From another thread:

Bottom Line: 'The Passion' = 'The stations of the Crucifix.'

Reality,.....Jesus suffered for 'sins' because of/for completed salvation once (1 time ended!)

(Salvational-sin-suffering-was-ON-THE-CROSS)

Christian focus is in it's completion/ending/finished....Our sins have been PAID IN FULL. (The SIN-PENALITY is PAID in FULL)

This point is in Jesus' DEATH and FINISHED BLOOD SHEDING!

The Cross suffering/death of Jesus is OVER.

He is NOT suffering for our sins ANYMORE!

'The Passion' = 'The stations of the Crucifix'.

:-(

Martin Luther is Rolling Over!

[sfRummygirl]

This is the most amazing example of the grasping at straws panic I have seen yet.
It's just flat out panic!

[Antoninus]

Would a Christian film director cast an unrepentant porn star in a movie about Jesus Christ?

The same question could be asked of Christ himself--"Would the true messiah consort with prostitutes and tax collectors?" How exactly does this bozo know the actress in question is "unrepentant"? Is he fit to judge her soul?

You have *got* to be kidding me. This is simply pathetic. Satan will expend every bullet trying to destroy this movie. But he will fail.

[ahadams2]

I gotta say this is the biggest load of, well, 'sour grapes' I've seen in a long time. It's based on misinterpretations and innuendos that would make Foxman and the ADL crowd blush - and given their $$$$ orientation that's really saying something!

[GeronL]

A review by Jody Dean, a Texas broadcaster, appears on the Jeff Rense website and was circulated by Jim Bramlett on Jan. 28, 2004. According to Ms. Dean, “The screening was shown on the first night of ‘Elevate!’, a weekend-long seminar for young people at Prestonwood Baptist Church in Plano [Texas]”– a mega-church of 22,000 where two members paid $42,000 for 6,000 tickets to see “The Passion”. In her review, Ms. Dean made a telltale observation:

ahem.

Jody Dean is a MAN!!

[narses]

Can anyone make sense of this dreck? What are they claiming?

[Askel5]

For our sake, He suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died and was buried.

He descended into Hell.

On the third day, He rose again, in fulfillment of the Scriptures.

_______________________

He was opening the gates of hell, making good on the eternal present of the moment of Redemption, for three days before the Ascension.

[unspun]

There are "fundamentalist" Christians who seem to stray far from the fundamentals of following Christ, in order to criticize the lives and works of other Christians.

Jesus told the disciples not to persecute those who weren't in their group, yet who taught about their Savior.

Amen?

[franky]

Too long for my old eyes.

As I used to tell my students, anything over 2 pages long and you are not telling it the way it is.

TV station PAX has the Making of "The Passion" on Sunday night at 9 PM eastern

[Just mythoughts]

I guess we can say she is not a Mel Gibson fan.

[Deo volente]

"Gibson, who claims to be Catholic, belongs to an extreme sect in Malibu, California called the “Holy Family”"



(shaking my head in disbelief)
Mel Gibson, who IS Catholic, has set up an independent chapel in Malibu, California with an ordained CATHOLIC priest to offer the Mass. "Holy Family" is simply the name of his independent parish.

How do people have the time to dream up this nonsense? Don't they have jobs, like the rest of us?

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

I'm sorry but this author needs help. This is the most erroneous, illogical, rambling piece I've read in a long time.

[HowlinglyMind-BendingAbsurdity]

“Although Mr. Gibson is Roman Catholic and the movie is replete with Catholic touches, like the Stations of the Cross and the centrality of Mary, influential Pentecostal and evangelical leaders have embraced it anyway, seeing its value as a tool in evangelism. Evangelical Christians account for 30 percent to 40 percent of the American population, and many of them have recently been hearing their leaders declare that the nation is primed for a return of the ecstatic Great Awakenings that moved Americans in the 18th and 19th centuries to convert to Christianity in droves.

“Mr. Gibson's film company has hired several marketing firms experienced in reaching Christian audiences, including the publicist for the Rev. Billy Graham. But much of the promotion was initiated by an assortment of ministry agencies, churches and individual Christians...

“Mr. Gibson's company held early screenings of the film in churches led by pastors renowned in Christian circles for pioneering evangelization techniques. They include the Rev. Bill Hybels of Willow Creek Community Church in South Barrington, Ill.; Bishop Eddie L. Long of New Birth Missionary Baptist Church in Atlanta; and the Rev. Rick Warren at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, Calif., author of the best seller 'The Purpose-Driven Life'.”

As a result of Gibson's ingenious marketing, “The Passion of the Christ” is receiving rave reviews throughout the Christian community.

Christophobia Alert

[Texas2step]

Where's the barf alert?

Notwithstanding this glaring problem in reference to the "last 12 hours of Christ's life on earth.

Good grief, woman. Technically incorrect, but a glaring problem? Not really. You'd think that the movie doesn't portray the resurrection!

at least 10,000 pastors and leaders of Christian ministries and media have previewed the film and, although the majority of Christians have not seen the movie, entire churches are being mobilized to promote it

Not only does she slam Mel, she implies that the 10,000 Christian pastors/leaders are complicit in "Mel's conspriracy". Yeah, right.

influential Pentecostal and evangelical leaders have embraced it anyway, seeing its value as a tool in evangelism.

These leaders have told her that they embraced it because of its value as a tool? Or, maybe some because it appears to be an accurate portrayal of Jesus death, and His love for us? She's assuming the reason they are embracing the movie.

Since the movie has yet to be released, all reviews have been written by selected individuals who were invited to the private screenings. The typical review, which sounds almost scripted, goes something like this one written by Catholic apologist Keith Fournier:

Selected individuals like Matt Drudge? Michael Medved? Jack Valenti? Billy Graham? Yeah, these men are all cut from the same cloth, and I'm sure they used Mel's "review script" for writing their reviews. It's beginning to look like an intentional hit piece, to me. :-)

Focus on the Family is committed to promoting the Mel Gibson movie and, to our knowledge, has not repudiated the review attributed to Danae.

An allegation is a reason to repudiate someone? I allege that ms. aho is stupid. She should now repudiate her stupidity.

The actors in this film may be unknown to American Christians

Hey barb! Unknown, as in not blockbuster stars! Unknown, as in not box office draws. Ever gone to a movie because Jim Caviezal was in it? (Not in the past, but they will now, in droves, he'll be unknown no longer!)

to say that James Caviezel and Monica Bellucci are well-known is an enormous understatement. Monica Bellucci, who plays Mary Magdalene in Gibson’s “Passion” movie, is a famous pornography star!

To say that Monica Bellucci IS well-known would be an ENORMOUS overstatement. You, know, kind of like have done. If it was well-known that Monica Bellucci was a porn star, for example, don't you think that we'd have, uh, heard about it. The fact is, she's not done a single movie I've seen, and according to Yahoo's bibliography has NEVER done a single porn movie. Kinda tough to be a PORN STAR when you don't do PORN movies. This is outright slander.

I was going to read the whole thing and continue to debunk, but I've read enough of this drivel. This lady has some agenda, who knows what. Maybe she's PO'd because she wasn't invited to an early showing.

Hmmm, who to believe? barb aho, or Billy Graham. Yeah, that's a tough one.

[Sloth]

Most bizarrely, “The Merovingian” ran a nightclub called “Hell” in an underground city named “Zion,”

This is about as accurate as the rest of the article.

[Sloth]

One has to wonder if the producers of “The Passion” aren’t the real Christ-haters, who derived pleasure from reenacting the Crucifixion with meticulous attention to the details of Jesus’ torture. Those who enjoy watching torture will probably love this film.

I recommend this as a new tack for Foxman/ADL to take. With the revelation that it is Mel Gibson's hands that pound in the nails on film, Foxman should explain that Mel wanted to live out his sick fantasies of crucifying Jews.

[maestro]

ping.

ES,...thanks again for posting!

(Luke 24:39)

[John Locke]

If you must verify our reporting, we recommend that only mature women view Bellucci’s Italian website.

Except it's not "Bellucci's website". It's a fan site, as is clearly stated on every page.

The above quote is either very, very shoddy journalism, or a deliberate smear.