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But, according to The New York Times Magazine, the actor’s privately funded Church of the Holy Family in Malibu is not affiliated with any diocese. So, according to Church law, it’s schismatic, not a Catholic church at all.

Gibson's church may prove to be far more controversial than his film. An interesting perspective, by a canon lawyer, on the extent of traditionalism.

2 posted on 01/11/2004 6:00:49 AM PST by NYer
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I understood that Gibson was Catholic but was attending an SPPX church.

Is my memory askew here?
8 posted on 01/11/2004 6:59:02 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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But, according to The New York Times Magazine, the actor’s privately funded Church of the Holy Family in Malibu is not affiliated with any diocese. So, according to Church law, it’s schismatic, not a Catholic church at all.

So, according to this offer, all churches run by Jesuits, Benedictines, Franciscans, Carmelites, etc. is schismatic? According to this writer, while I attended Santa clara University and often went to Mass there, I was a schismatic for four years? I never realized or intended to that. Everyone at Notre Dame, Boston College, Georgetown, etc, is a schismatic?

17 posted on 01/11/2004 10:44:51 AM PST by nickcarraway (www.terrisfight.org)
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Kevin Orlin Johnson, Ph.D....raises some serious issues about the actor's relationship with the Catholic Church.

Looking at the responses, I feel better about not being "enlightened" by this news piece.
Is Mel in schism or not looks to be the unanswered question.
Reflecting back upon Mel Gibson's EWTN interview, there's nothing that stands out as an answer to that.  Wouldn't Arroyo have raised that issue?  I do recall Arroyo's comment "you and I share a love of the Tridentine rite", and Gibson's daily mass attendance being "detergent for the soul".  There was not much beyond that IIRC.
I will *definitely* tune into the next interview on January 23rd.

20 posted on 01/11/2004 10:56:11 AM PST by GirlShortstop
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“You can’t just build your own church,” Johnson says. Parishes are geographical entities, set up by bishops in conformance with the Church’s laws and subject to their authority. “There are no free-lance churches in the Catholic Church.

He is, generally, right here. No Jurisdiction, No Ministry is the law of Catholicism.

Rome evil, Me Orthodox, is the law of Schism.

Still this oblique attack on Gibson has zip to do with the Passion.

107 posted on 01/12/2004 7:09:05 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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Bumping this again.

I do think that the schismatic part of this story will not benefit the film at all.

It certainly is stalking Gibson.
163 posted on 02/16/2004 5:57:13 PM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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