To: drstevej
Don't know about altar boys but it looks like he molested women:
Christ "Whosoever shall put away his wife and marry another, committeth adultery against her. And if the wife shall put away her husband, and be married to another, she committeth adultery." (Mark 10:11-12)
Luther:"As to divorce, it is still a moot question whether it is allowable. For my part, I prefer bigamy." (De Wette, Vol. 2, p. 459)
Christ: "And do not be drunk with wine, for in that is debauchery." (Ephesians 5:18) "Keep thyself chaste." (I Timothy 5:22)
Luther: "Why do I sit soaked in wine? . . . To be continent and chaste is not in me." (Luther's Diary)
Interesting interpretation of Scripture there.
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Molested women ???? Hardly.
37 posted on
01/03/2004 11:18:38 AM PST by
drstevej
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
***it looks like he molested women***
Perhaps you were thinking of Innocent VIII (1484 - 1492)
Giovanni Battista Cibo was born in Genoa in 1432, the son of a Roman senator. As a young man he was somewhat licentious and had two illegitimate children, Franceschetto and Teodorina. But after young Cibo took orders he settled down. He became bishop of Savona in 1467, and in 1473 exchanged Savona for the see of Olfetta in Naples. He was created cardinal in 1473 by Sixtus IV. He chose the name of Innocent VIII.
or perhaps...
Pope Alexander VI (1492-1503)
Rodrigo Borgia became a priest (1468) but this didnt prevent him from forming a close relationship with Vanozza de Catanei who, by the way, was already married. Her husband hung on to the relationship until 1476, by which time Vanozza had borne two of the four children she would eventually have with Rodrigo the Cardinal. These were: Giovanni (1474), Cesare (1476), Lucrezia (1480) and Giofre (1481).
Once Rodrigo decided to seek the Papacy he had to dispose of his mistress. So he made a good choice of a husband for her. He didnt want to discontinue the relationship with Vanozza, only make it discreet so that his chances of becoming Pope wouldnt be jeopardized. He obviously was concerned with appearances.
39 posted on
01/03/2004 11:27:32 AM PST by
drstevej
To: Canticle_of_Deborah
Luther did say that bigamy was not expressly forbidden, and therefore at least OK in some situations. Not a view that I agree with, or one that his contemporaries (or wife for that matter) agreed with. Luther took that from the fact that many of the Old Testament patriarchs like Abraham, David, Solomon, and the had multiple wives. The interesting thing is that Luther often commented that taking two wives would be a lot more trouble than one man should look for. As for the list of relics, it wouldn't surprise me. Relics were big in the middle ages, and many operated without the official sanction of Rome.
He did have a drinking problem, and was found of beer. He was also given to fits of depression. In other words, he was human. A sinner, and not infallible.
72 posted on
01/03/2004 2:05:35 PM PST by
redgolum
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