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What is Christianity? Do you know "the way?"
11/23/2003 | 1stFreedom

Posted on 11/23/2003 9:28:57 PM PST by 1stFreedom

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* This is a work in progress, so dates/names may need correction. Forgive my inaccuracies and I'll do likewise.

There are many "denominations" which identify with this name. Yet, what is "Christianity?"

To begin with, the followers of Jesus and His Disciples didn't teach "Christianity" -- they taught what was known as "The Way".

Aside from some problems that were quickly resolved, "The Way" was universal. Doctrine was the same from one community to the next.

The Apostles, who traveled the world, took up students and trained them in "The Way" over a period of time. As usual, they laid hands on these men as they did with Matthias, Judas' successor.

Many of what is now known as books of the New Testament had not been written. Instead, the Apostles had orally instructed the communities. The men studing under the Apostles were especially knowledgable of the teachings of the Apostles. They had to know it word for word, concept for concept, doctrine for doctrine, otherwise the Apostles could not depend on them to teach and lead in their stead.

Since the Apostles and their students taught in many lands, "The Way" was universal in doctrine and faith. The authority of the Apostles, and the authoirty of their students was known and respected. To hear the students speak on the faith was to hear the Apostles speak, which was to hear Christ speak.

This pattern continued after the death of the Apostles, with the students selecting and laying hands on new students. If problems arose in a community these leaders, students of the Apostles, resolved the issue. Nobody in a community would [openly] challenge their authority or ruling once they had spoken.

The collection of "New Testament" scripture had not been completely assembled. Not one single person had the complete collection. When the writings were available, the student's of the Apostles utilized them in their work.

As time went and the faith grew, "the way" was called "universal" and the name stuck. After all, the faith was the same all over the globe -- universal in doctrine and faith.

The "universal" faith had a good idea of what was the New Testament scripture was. The "universal" way collected many different lists of what was considered to be inspired writings, and they eventually decided on what we now recognize (for the most part) as the new testament.

What is so interesting about the "universal way" is the following beliefs: (Please reply with corrections!)

* Authority of the Apostles and their successors: There wasn't a NT bible to speak of, so one simply couldn't look up a verse to solve a problem. The Authority was in fact, the Apostles, and later, student's of the Apostles. Later, their writings (Scripture) would also prove to be authoritative.

* Universality "Catholicity": One faith, one set of doctrine, one structure, one belief, one set of Scripture. Recognized by the apostles/followers as "the way"

* Rejection of Abortion (see the Didache, a first century writing, noting the refusal of the eucharist for those who had an abortion)

* Perpetual Virginity of Mary: St. Jerome brilliantly defended this belief in the later 300's.

* Real Body and Blood of Jesus in the Eucharist: Defended by St. Ignatious of Antioch in 110ad (Bishop of the NT Church of Antioch for those who claim to have the faith of the New Testament Church!)

* Apostolic Succession: This was "the way of the way" and nobody questioned it. Only those who had hands laid on by the Apostles continued to lead the way in the absence of the Apostles.

* Hierarchy of the Church: Bishops recognized by the faithful and the successors of the Apostles

* Recognition of the Successor of Peter: (Later rejected by the "Orthodox" members of the Church.)

* Recognition of the Septuigant canon of Old and New Testament Scripture (392ad)

* Holy: The universal faith was Holy and guided by God.

There really wasn't a "Christian" faith, it was simply the "universal way".

Eventually, the "universal" label stuck to the way, hence the name "Catholic" to describe the universal church. The term "Chrisitan" was a name given [later?] to describe those who belonged to the universal way.

For the most part, with the exception of minor scisms, the beliefs listed above remained core beliefs of "universal way" up to today.

Now fast forward to today.

The claim is made by many that their Church doctrine is Christian, exactly as the doctrines of the early Church.

Yet compare the doctrine of the early church (some listed above) to the doctrines of various denominations (and "nondenominations"), and one will find that they differ to varying degrees -- in many cases, drastically. Instead of holding the doctrines of "the way" they hold doctrines of "another way" or "the other way" [man's way].

The doctrines of "the way" were held constant throughout almost fifteen hundred years. (The Orthodox scism in 1054 only rejected the Papacy and some minor doctrine)The protestant reformation created scisms and doctrines of "they way" were modified or thrown out to varying degrees, yet the doctrine of the "Universal Way" has been constant for almost two thousand years.

What's interesting is that many people who claim to be of "the way" will not recognize Mormons or Jehova's Witnesses as Christians because they have changed, added, or rejected "traditional" doctrine. Yet, these same people have rejected the 2,000 year old doctrines of "the way".

If changing or rejecting doctrines of "the way" is a basis for determining that a denomination/sect isn't "Christian", then this standard has to be applied to the many denominations which claim to be "Christian" also.

To not distinguish the doctrines of "the way" only causes confusion as to what "the Way" actually was and still is. The confusion is so bad, that people think it's ok to cohabitate, have abortions, engage in homosexual "marriage", and so forth. One can always find a church which is supposedly of "the way" which will support thier activity. Yet until the faithful (of all denominations) recognize "the way" and reject "the new way", the world will not hear a clear voice proclaiming the Good News. Instead they'll hear what they want to hear..

In my opinion, it is time to make clear what exactly "the way" is by simply rejecting what isn't "the way" and doing so in a loving yet vocal manner.

Note:

When I speak with people and they tell me something which is contrary to "the way" I simply tell them that the belief they stated isn't "Christian" -- and then I explain about "the way". More often than not, their belief originates from the Protestant Reformation, Fundamentalism, "Catholic Sloth", or their own mind -- but not in "the Way"

Also, I do not doubt the hearts or love of God of the believers who believe their church is "Christian". What I doubt is the "other way" doctrine of their denomination/non-denomination. Many of them are good, honest, Christ loving people of faith who have simply been indoctrinated with protestant dogma, aka "other way" doctrine.


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1 posted on 11/23/2003 9:28:57 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: stands2reason; Cicero; Campion; dangus; Veritas_est; WTFO?; Twinkie; freedumb2003; ...
Ping! Amatuer theologian ping...
2 posted on 11/23/2003 9:29:59 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
(Religion Forum Candidate?)
3 posted on 11/23/2003 9:31:05 PM PST by Consort
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To: 1stFreedom
btt
4 posted on 11/23/2003 9:31:43 PM PST by troublesome creek
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To: 1stFreedom
The way... is achievement of psychoanalytic self knowledge and comprehensive acceptance of reality and its lawfullness.
5 posted on 11/23/2003 9:34:01 PM PST by RLK
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To: Consort
No. There are philisophical and political undertones in this post. It's not just religion, as you'll see, the politicial aspects of the reformation will come to light.
6 posted on 11/23/2003 9:35:40 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: troublesome creek
By the way, what does "btt" mean?
7 posted on 11/23/2003 9:36:22 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
(Politicial Aspects of the Reformation Forum Candidate?)
8 posted on 11/23/2003 9:38:19 PM PST by Consort
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To: 1stFreedom
I have a question: Why is this posted in Breaking News when it should be posted in the Chat or Religion forums?
9 posted on 11/23/2003 9:39:07 PM PST by WackyKat
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To: 1stFreedom
Christianity is Christ. It is the conviction that the one eternal God has come in the person of Jesus Christ and that he has reconciled us to Himself by His offering of Himself as a sacrifice for all mankind.

Everything else, the arguing over authority, church structure, etc, is strictly peripheral.

10 posted on 11/23/2003 9:39:15 PM PST by nightdriver
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To: 1stFreedom
Save your time. Read Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. That covers the subject better than any other source -- than the original Book.

Congressman Billybob

Latest column, "Double Crossing at the Rio Grande," discussion thread. IF YOU WANT A FREEPER IN CONGRESS, CLICK HERE.

11 posted on 11/23/2003 9:39:40 PM PST by Congressman Billybob (www.ArmorforCongress.com Visit. Join. Help. Please.)
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To: 1stFreedom
Bump to the top. i.e. I want to be able to come back and read this when I have more time to digest.
12 posted on 11/23/2003 9:44:31 PM PST by troublesome creek
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To: 1stFreedom
6Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7If you really knew me, you would know[2] my Father as well. From now on, you do know him and have seen him." 8Philip said, "Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us." 9Jesus answered: "Don't you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father.

Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, that is Christianity, nothing more, nothing less. Accept Him as your Savior, accept the free gift of salvation, not works or deeds, only Faith in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

13 posted on 11/23/2003 9:44:47 PM PST by Texas Deer Hunter (John 14:6 - 14:9)
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To: nightdriver
You got it. Romans 10:9 is what Christianity is. The other stuff is about sanctification and administration. FReegards
14 posted on 11/23/2003 9:45:04 PM PST by 185JHP ( Is a Deanbacle what they're gonna get?)
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To: Congressman Billybob
See this about Mere Christianity Mere Chrisianity
15 posted on 11/23/2003 9:46:04 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: Texas Deer Hunter
>>Believe in the Lord Jesus Christ, that is Christianity, nothing more, nothing less.

Christianity is more that that. What you describe is the *beginning* of faith, not Christianity as a whole.


>>accept the free gift of salvation,

No argument there.

>>only Faith in the Lord Jesus and you will be saved.

First of all, "only" is not in the bible -- Unless you use Luthor's translation where he explicitly adds the word "alone" to the passage of salvation by faith. Although most editions of protestant NT do not contain "alone" it is still added when the salvation doctrine is taught.

Another note, that it is works of the Law, not WOrks of charity, which are condemned. When passages refer to works not being able to save one, they refer to works of the law or works without faith. That last judgement refutes a faith alone salvation. (in the context of having a chance -- the thief on the cross couldn't do any works. But you and I who have a chance, that's a different story).

Finally, salvation by faith alone is not scriptural. Unless you don't consider the book of James to be scripture.


16 posted on 11/23/2003 9:51:33 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: nightdriver
>>>>Christianity is Christ. It is the conviction that the one eternal God has come in the person of Jesus Christ and that he has reconciled us to Himself by His offering of Himself as a sacrifice for all mankind.

That is not a Christan belief. It has parts of Christian belief, but on it's on it is not a Christian Belief. (See my Origional postabove)

>>Everything else, the arguing over authority, church structure, etc, is strictly peripheral.

That is not a Christian belief. (See my origional post)
17 posted on 11/23/2003 9:54:13 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 185JHP
>>You got it. Romans 10:9 is what Christianity is.

That is the beginning of Christianity-- there is more -- ya have to read the rest of the NT!

>> The other stuff is about sanctification and administration. FReegards

That's not a Christian belief (see origional post)
18 posted on 11/23/2003 9:55:54 PM PST by 1stFreedom
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To: 1stFreedom
Eventually, the "universal" label stuck to the way, hence the name "Catholic" to describe the universal church. The term "Chrisitan" was a name given [later?] to describe those who belonged to the universal way.

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I'm not sure where you're getting your info from
Try the Bible!

Acts 11:26 - And when he (Barnabas) had found him (Saul), he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch.
19 posted on 11/23/2003 10:06:03 PM PST by GeorgiaYankee
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To: 1stFreedom
Whatever, you're trying to make it more complicated than it needs to be. Just faith in the Lord Jesus Christ is enough.

Even the thief on the cross was saved for eternity for just believing, even at the last minute.

20 posted on 11/23/2003 10:07:17 PM PST by Texas Deer Hunter (John 14:6 - 14:9)
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