Is Church Apostasy the Cause of Terri Schiavo's Plight? "Bye Bye...No more discussion on this.."

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THE FRONT LINES: Is Catholic Church Apostasy the Cause of Terri Schiavo's Plight? "Bye Bye, I must go now. No more discussion on this matter." 10/16/2003 8:47:00 PM By Barb Kralis

On October 15, 2003, I called Cardinal Ratzinger's office in Rome,wishing beyond hope that I could get the CDF behind Terri Schiavo's plight and defend her life with the many wonderful Church teachings.

I spoke to Fr. Jorge (or it could be Fr. George, but for clarification I will refer to him as Fr. Jorge), who said he was the secretary to Cd. Ratzinger, which means he's the under secretary, as Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone is Secretary of the CDF, with Cd. Ratzinger being its Prefect.

I asked Father to advise me about a serious grave matter happening here in the U.S. and he cut me off, saying that it's impossible to discuss these matters over the phone and that I should go to my own bishop. I told him that my group contacted all of the U.S. Bishops and none are willing to take any action. Fr. Jorge said there was nothing Rome could do about problems in the U.S., that it was up to the American Bishops to work things out.

I implored him to let me tell him a little of the life threatening matter regarding Terri Schiavo and he again said he was unable to comment due to the Curia's lack of jurisdiction over the U.S. Bishops.

Once more I implored him to listen to my story and he agreed sorrowfully to listen briefly. I asked if somehow Cardinal Ratzinger and the Pope could intervene on Terri's behalf as the U.S. bishops were turning their back on her impending murder. Fr. Jorge again said that Rome has no jurisdiction, no competence over what goes on in the United States, that it is the matter for Bishop Lynch. I told him Bp. Lynch wasn't doing anything and Fr. Jorge said he was sorry that this was so hard on so many faithful in the U.S. but Rome nor the Pope nor Cd. Ratzinger could tell Bp. Lynch in his See (St. Petersburg, Fla.) what do so about this matter.

Again, I told him that if Rome didn't intervene, Terri would start to die a most horrible death tomorrow. And, again Fr. Jorge said Rome had no control over the U.S. Bishops (he doesn't know how true his words are!). I pleaded that the Pope surely could intervene with a statement that would influence the federal judge, and he said absolutely not. He said he was truly sorrowful and all the consolation he could give me was to pray for a miracle. I was then cut off quickly by Fr. Jorge with the parting words,

"Bye Bye, I must go now. No more discussion on this matter."

What's going on!

The Catholic Church posses the fullness of truth, the complete moral teachings of our age, yet how many hierarchy are willing to use these 'teachings moments' to defend life when the going gets tough. We can thank God for the Magisterium of the Church, for the official teaching office of Peter and 'the bishops in communion with him.' Now, here's the real problem.

Bishop Lynch and many American Bishops, in my experiences, are not in union with Peter. Therein lies the apostasy as predicted by the Blessed Mother at Fatima. Terri Schiavo's plight is only one of the many evil consequences of the apostasy of American Bishops. How many other innocents will surely follow Terri's martyrdom?

The Protestants are very vocal and physically involved in many areas of pro life activities, but because their religions refute, or 'protest,' the full truths of pro life teachings, they can only go so far; then they begin to contradict their own beliefs, they are unable to convince the masses to the truths which they don't possess nor teach, they fail to get to the root of the evils in our culture, and they'll never be capable of making true change.

Because the Protestants seem to be the only voice heard at Terri plight, many people, including uncatechised Catholics, are flocking to the Protestant churches. Catholics are leaving the True Church in great numbers. Our bishops are fiddling while Rome burns. We Catholic laity have our good apostolates (works) cut out for us, perhaps as never before.

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Barbara Kralis is the President of the Jesus Through Mary Foundation

[email: Avemaria@earthlink.net, phone: 903-532-5555, fax: 903-532-6544, 919 Harrell Road, Howe, Tx. 75459] and a mamber of the Catholic Media Coalition.

[Dajjal]

Florida ought to be threatened with an interdict -- protect this women and all life or the Sacraments would be suspended for a set period of time as a penance.

An excellent suggestion.

[cpforlife.org]

“Fr. Jorge said Rome had no control over the U.S. Bishops” “…….Rome nor the Pope nor Cd. Ratzinger could tell Bp. Lynch in his See (St. Petersburg, Fla.) what do so about this matter.”

ABSOLUTE NONSENSE.

Some observations on this whole SICK tragedy:

How many times in the last few years has the Pope called (directly & without solicitation) governors in the US to plead for mercy for those on death row?

How many hours did it take for Rome (Pope) to “ask” for the resignation of the Archbishop in Arizona when they learned of his “driving problems”? Could he have said no…NO.

“Rome has no jurisdiction, no competence over what goes on in the United States”

What a total lie!

The Pope is the absolute, sovereign, and universal judge of all things in the Catholic Church; and in every diocese throughout the world. He, and he alone makes, moves, and removes bishops—and “CREATES” cardinals at his good pleasure. The bishops and the cardinals individually and as a college have no authority whatsoever apart from the Pope.

While it is true that Terri’s bishop is directly and ultimatly responsible, Rome could lend its considerable weight on the matter. The bishop is negligent. His apathy will set the stage for the acceleration downward on these matters.

IMO-IF Fr. Jorge did actually say these things; he lied and should have been more candid with the facts. His whole exchange just made the whole thing worse for me. Someone at that level of the Vatican just lied to evade responsibility and ignored a cry for help and mercy for the life of an innocent.

I think the image below, which has been around for a long time is the most accurate:

'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'

[narses]

Well said.

[WHBates]

"Just something for all of us to think about -- is this picture larger than we currently see it?"

Maybe it is much smaller than we are comfortable with?

[Fifthmark]

Unproductive? So I should acquiesce on the altar of ecumenism and admit that protestants possess the same truth as the Catholic Church? I think you ask the impossible. Charity, love of God and of our neighbor, requires that we not obscure the truth, regardless of if it makes you feel bad.

[Fifthmark]

As the Church turns its back on its own past and the authority in Rome rings hollow with the American bishops, an interdict would be laughed at and viewed as an impossibility. The popes of modern age would never resort to it, for they reserve their strongest condemnation for those who seek to question the direction of the Church in the last forty years, not those who reject the Church's teachings on the sanctity of human life.

Pray for Terry Schiavo.

[Qwinn]

Look at yourselves.

You are spending the greatest amount of your time and energy attacking each other, each other's faiths, the Pope, Jeb Bush, Fr. Jorge, Rome, Florida Bishops...

There are two primary enemies in this fight. That is Michael Schiavo and Judge Greer. Save your venom and cries of outrage for them, instead of those who devote their lives to Christian causes and -don't- try to get people killed.

I'm willing to bet that most of these bishops have sent private letters to the people involved (which does NOT include the bishops, Gov. Bush, etc.) Schiavo and Greer are the ones who are properly responsible and who apparently hold all the legal cards in this fight.

Why do they hold the cards? Because of laws that have been established by prior administrations because people voted for the death-culture Democrats.

So how do a great number of you react? "I'll never vote for Jeb Bush again - EVER!" Oh, that's brilliant. He's pro-life, he has sent letters to Greer and Schiavo and everyone else involved, spoken with the family at length, tried two interventions within his power, spoken publicly that what is happening here is wrong and given the Governorship's approval to the fight for Terri... but you'll never vote for him again.

And therefore, the death-culture Dems get into power again and next time, they vote to re-legalize partial birth abortion or some other atrocity.

Stop fighting amongst yourselves. In your rage that no one can stop those two monsters, you instead turn your daggers on each other so you can have the satisfaction of taking your revenge on -someone-, anyone, for this injustice. That doesn't sound like what I've always respected about Christianity to me.

Qwinn

[diamond6]

'I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me.' 41 "Then he will say to those on his left, 'Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42For I was hungry and you gave me nothing to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me nothing to drink, 43I was a stranger and you did not invite me in, I needed clothes and you did not clothe me, I was sick and in prison and you did not look after me.' 44"They also will answer, 'Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or needing clothes or sick or in prison, and did not help you?' 45 "He will reply, 'I tell you the truth, whatever you did not do for one of the least of these, you did not do for me.'


CP, I was thinking the very same thing!! As Mother Teresa said "God does not demand our success, only our faithfullness (spelling?) or something close to that.

[nickcarraway]

By this standard we should have no United States. The Founding Fathers had to go against far more than Governor Bush to do what they did.

[MissAmericanPie]

What makes the author think that the Catholic Church is the "true church"? I have heard that phrase before and never understood it.

[Rytwyng]

Florida ought to be threatened with an interdict -- protect this women and all life or the Sacraments would be suspended for a set period of time as a penance.

One can only hope. If the RC church would have the guts to do this, I might just start taking them seriously again. Should've been done long ago, actually... ca 1973.

[Coral Snake]

The strangualtion evidence is HERE!!!!:

Bone Scan.pdf file

Other Abuse related injuries found too!!! High probability of FIRST DEGREE MURDER with this stuff if this "euthinasia" is completed!!!!! Posting this to EVERY currently active Terri thread!!!!

[Theodore R.]

Terri's brother noted in an interview weeks ago that the Catholic Church was doing "very little" for Terri, and he teaches at a Catholic school. He said that his school administrator showed no interest in Terri's plight and would not look him in the eye.

[Theodore R.]

Catholics say that their denomination is the one established "on the rock" by Peter. Protestants who broke away say the Catholic Church was corrupted over time and was never the "true church." Some Baptist reject the term "Protestant" and say they are the "true church" because they believe that they follow the New Testament in its exact intent. Baptists, however, do not consider Catholics outside the family of God, as some Catholics have been falsely led to believe.

[Theodore R.]

Again it's the money -- the Catholic Church won't cut off its purse in the name of justice and morality. It feels that it "can't afford to" with all the losses it has sustained in recent years over the lawsuits. What organizations will do things in the name of morality that reduce their funding? I cannot think of any right off.

[Byron_the_Aussie]

Good advice. Thanks for your calm commonsense, Qwinn.

[Theodore R.]

Once again, the "evidence" does NOT matter in Terri's plight. Has the USA lost its collective mind in the name of money and pleasure? Who knows, at the rate we are going, Michael Schiavo could enter FL politics and WIN.

[TheOtherOne]

High probability of FIRST DEGREE MURDER with this stuff if this "euthinasia" is completed!

You are nuts if you think a murder charge will ever come out of this, especially based on that pdf.

[SuziQ]

Failure to prevent the death of another human being when one is able is a mortal sin, is it not?

The operative phrase here is "when one is able to". Do you honestly think the Federal court is going to pay attention to ANYTHING any Bishop says? The courts haven't shown themselves willing to in any other case of which I'm aware.

Instead of ginning up dissent on the right against the Bishops, I think peoples' spiritual energy would be better spent in prayer; for Terry, her parents, and the judges. They won't listen to the Bishops, maybe God will get their attention!

[Don'tMessWithTexas]

I find it odd that the Catholic author of this piece excoriates the Catholic hierarchy as though it has some sinister but unspoken motive, then she excoriates protestants for not possessing the "full" truth.

I would respectfully suggest that this lady tend to the affairs of her household. If she sees apostasy in the RC church, come out of it. Third, she should realize that this country was first settled by the "protestants" she so easily ridicules.

Finally, I think all of that it is necessary in all of these threads to tone down the rhetoric. The accusations of murder, conspiracy and so forth make it difficult for someone without much understanding of the issues in this tragic situation to come to an informed opinion.