Posted on 10/05/2003 3:18:56 PM PDT by truthandlife
If there is anyone left who truly believes the Republican Party is committed to genuine conservative principles, the candidacy of bodybuilder/actor Arnold Schwarzenegger to be California's next governor should be enough to set the record straight.
Despite Schwarzenegger's extreme liberal views, he has won praise from Republicans nationwide. On virtually every issue worth noting, Schwarzenegger comes down on the left side of the page.
Schwarzenegger is pro-abortion, pro-homosexual rights, pro-gun control, pro-green, and pro-illegal immigration. He even said that Clinton's impeachment made him "ashamed" to call himself a Republican.
Furthermore, Schwarzenegger's immoral escapades make even Bill Clinton look unsoiled. He once bragged in an Oui magazine interview about participating in sex orgies, not to mention his repeated admissions of drug use.
In spite of his personal and philosophical discrepancies, Schwarzenegger has received accolades from notable conservatives such as Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, and Pat Robertson, not to mention practically the entire national Republican hierarchy.
Writing for The New York Times, Frank Rich correctly observed, "It is hilarious to watch conservatives, the same conservatives who often decry phony Hollywood liberals and their followers, betray their own inviolate principles to bask in Arnold's hulking movie-star aura so that they might possibly gain a nominal Republican victory in the bargain."
By supporting a liberal such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republicans demonstrate that they have no real loyalty to conservative principles. Beyond that, by supporting Schwarzenegger, they have turned their backs on a true conservative gubernatorial candidate, Tom McClintock.
However, people who are paying attention know that this is the rule, not the exception, for the Republican Party. In race after race, Republican heavyweights will throw their support behind a liberal candidate and will starve out a conservative candidate. This is not an accident or a coincidence. It is the party's plan A. The Republican Party no more desires conservatives in political office than the Democratic Party does, and people who think otherwise are only deceiving themselves.
At some point, conservatives must awaken to the reality that they do not have a political party in Washington, D.C., that represents them. They must, at some point, be willing to abandon the Republican Party and unite around a party and a candidate that will courageously and consistently promote their principles. Can I get a second for Judge Roy Moore and the Constitution Party?
I don't know where you're getting your numbers from, because Karl Rove has a few numbers at his disposal and clearly pointed to evangelicals staying home as the reason 2000 was so close. I'm a conservative Catholic. I WANT Christian conservatism to dominate the GOP. In 1994, the Religious Right voted and that happened, and we got tons of conservatives in office. Since then, not so much, and many conservatives have been defeated.
It's pure ignorance to not understand that the two are connected, and to expect a mixed group of politicians with a narrow majority to be able to pass the agenda of the conservatives. The agenda is being dominated by the 50th and 51st votes in the Senate and whatever Bush can get them to do -- if Rod Grams and Spence Abraham and John Ashcroft were around (in the Senate), we wouldn't have that problem.
Absurd. Without the Evangelicals the Republican Party would have gone the way of the Whigs in the 1970s.
Face it. Without Evangelical Christian social conservatives, Dems would own both houses of congress and the White House, the 1994 Republican landslide would have never happened, and this forum (if it existed at all) would be filled with speculation as to which Rockefeller/Gerald Ford clone would be most likely to give President Gore a good run before losing in 2004.
Save your prayers for yourself, you need them a lot more than I do. I have no bitterness for Christians they are in general a very fine people but just as in any group there are a few like you who will abuse their trust and faith to acheive their own twisted agenda.
When Judgement Day comes I will be standing proud for my Faith, Love and Tolerance of others. It is you who will face some very tough questioning for your actions.
May God Save Your Soul.
That's absolute nonsense.
Neither apparently, do Republicans. The Congress has been spending like a bunch of drunken whores. Wilson raised taxes after promising not to do so. Arnold will likely follow suit only through fees and fines that ammount to little more than official extortion, at least, that's what he says he'll do.
Of course, he also says he will force the entire State and Local governments to replace their vehicle fleets with outrageously expensive "clean vehicles," he promises to build hydrogen stations to fuel a non-existent vehicle fleet, he promises to regulate and enforce indoor air quality standards in private homes, he promises to destroy all timber harvesting in the Sierra (which will burn it to a crisp and cut local tax revenue), his "pollution" control plans will hand over ag land to developers and keep the maintain the State's critical shortage in electrical generating capacity...
What a guy!
They're consistent, all right. They'll vote consistently Republican, no matter what.
I am sorry but I did pray for you. Please cite some examples where I have abused "my trust and faith to achieve my own twisted agenda?"
When Judgement Day comes I will be standing proud for my Faith, Love and Tolerance of others.
LPM, if you were to stand before God on Judgement day and He were to say, "LPM, why should I let you into Heaven?" What would you say?
That's what they keep saying but, no, it's not even about that.
Too bad for the Whigs they didn't have Pat Robertson, the Christian Coalition, and the National Right to Life Committee telling the Christians to vote for the Whig Party no matter what!
And wouldn't that be terrible for the Democrats! Instead of having the Democrats presiding over cutting heads off babies, gay liberation, and gun confiscation, the Republicans will be doing it.
Not all. I was surprised to hear Bill Kristol say his morning on Fox News Sunday that were he a Californian, he could not vote for Arnold.
This is another example of where the Realgous Zealots have taken the core values of the GOP and the values have made America the great country that it is;
belief in freedom and limited Government, and that property rights, low taxation and freedom are not just essential for proseperity but are rights of man;
and have used it to promote their own warped religous agenda;
informed by the view that a people cannot long be free if they are not virtuous, and so belives in a Government that support family and moral values and doesnt undermine it;
No matter how you try to frighten and confuse people, America isn't going to come to an end if homosexuals get married or if women have the right to choose abortion.
Freedom means people being able to live their own lives without having to get the approval of a Theocrat.
It's time for the core of the GOP to kick out the Religous Zealot Hijackers before they crash America into the ground.
Mrs Grundy, Go sell your sack of horse$hit to someone else, I'm not buying.
If this election is any indication, you wouldn't be heard over the "He can't win" chant. ;-)
I saw that in the Forrester 2002 campaign. Lautenberg licked him, yet Lautenberg was a weak candidate. he could have been taken out - a strong conservative could have done it. the model? Rick Santorum managed to win in Pennsylvania.
I agree completely. I'm just afraid we're missing that opportunity here right now.
Thanks for the courteous back and forth!
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Chuck, there are hundreds of Republican parties out there. There's the RNC, 50 state parties, county and city parties, district parties, etc. Even in California, there's the CRA and the CRP which backed different candidates. Both are Republican.
On virtually every issue worth noting, Schwarzenegger comes down on the left side of the page.
Which is why I'm backing Tom McClintock, another REPUBLICAN.
not to mention practically the entire national Republican hierarchy.
Change the hierarchy then. Quit bitching and do something.
By supporting a liberal such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, Republicans demonstrate that they have no real loyalty to conservative principles.
I'm backing McClintock. I'm a Republican.
Beyond that, by supporting Schwarzenegger, they have turned their backs on a true conservative gubernatorial candidate, Tom McClintock.
Many have. Others haven't.
In race after race, Republican heavyweights will throw their support behind a liberal candidate and will starve out a conservative candidate.
There's one key word there. Heavyweights. The rank and file haven't backed the liberals for the most part. What must be done is to make sure that the rank and file and the conservative heavyweights have the power, and the LIBERAL wing does not push the conservative out.
This is not an accident or a coincidence. It is the party's plan A.
Is is the ESTABLISHMENT's plan A.
The Republican Party no more desires conservatives in political office than the Democratic Party does, and people who think otherwise are only deceiving themselves.
My county chair is conservative, as were our past two chairs. The county exec committee is conservative. Our state party chair is conservative. Conservatives are THERE.
At some point, conservatives must awaken to the reality that they do not have a political party in Washington, D.C., that represents them.
Then we should toss the DC bums out and replace them if we aren't represented there. Are you a precinct delegate?
They must, at some point, be willing to abandon the Republican Party and unite around a party and a candidate that will courageously and consistently promote their principles.
How will that advance conservatism?
Can I get a second for Judge Roy Moore and the Constitution Party?
How many races has the Constitution(or US Taxpayer's party) won?
You lies about the polling data are example enough. I'm not interested in teaching you math.
LPM, if you were to stand before God on Judgement day and He were to say, "LPM, why should I let you into Heaven?" What would you say?
That is between God and myself. You are definetly not my pastor nor my go-between with God, in otherwords mind your own business.
You need to worry about talking your way into Heaven, I'm not worried about my admittance.
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