WHICH MCCLINTOCK TO BELIEVE? TOM PROMISED HE WOULDN'T BE A SPOILER

KFI 640 | Matt Garrett

[Roscoe]

If Arnold has the opportunity and begins appointing Democrats to state positions, look for his apologists to applaud the move.

[EternalVigilance]

If Arnold has the opportunity and begins appointing Democrats to state positions, look for his apologists to applaud the move.

Right. It will be heralded as an incremental move for the conservative cause...

[novacation]

And is McClintock being a spoiler?Isn't Ahnold going to win by a landslide anyway?Even Ahnold needs the McClintock voters to vote yes on the recall.

[pogo101]

You need to clean up that post. I'm not terribly interested in what Maria Shriver did, even if I wish she didn't. I'm interested in whether ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, himself, gave money to Democrats.

BTW, let's just pause a moment to see how far adrift you've gone in your efforts to bash Arnold:

You (or was it Roscoe?) stated that Arnold and Riordan were equally lefty.

I responded to that by saying neutrally, IMO Arnold is a touch to Riordan's right, because at least Arnold hasn't endorsed Democrats running vs. Republicans.

Then the dissembling by you two began.

First I was advised that Buffett's being on Arnold's advisor team is an "endorsement" of a Democrat.

Second, I was told that, although it's different than endorsing a Democrat, it's WORSE.

Then the reductio ad absurdum continued with wondering whether Arnold had ever donated $$ to a Democrat running against a Republican.

It looks like I was wrong that he'd never given a Democrat a political donation. But so far all I've seen are contributions to Mark Shriver in a (failed) Democrat primary for a House seat in Md., and to Patrick Kennedy in 1998 and 2000.

I note that you added some more to Mark Shriver, including one in November '01. He lost his primary, so perhaps that was a help-you-pay-off-your-campaign-debt-cousin contribution. In any event, it isn't good for Schwarzenegger.

I don't like 'em. But I still maintain that they're excusable given the following mitigating circumstances:
- that they're going to Maria's family, as RARE favors;
- that they're not going to Ted but to low-level folks;
- that the Patrick contrib went to a guy with a very safe seat; and
- that Mark Shriver didn't even get past the party primary.

[Arthalion]

I'm firmly convinced that if Hillary Clinton switched parties, half of this websites posters would vote for her just to keep a Republican in office.

Hillary is a radical-left-wing democrat. Your post is utterly stupid

Arnold is pro homosexual, pro gay marriage, pro open immigration, pro abortion, pro tax increases, pro government expansion when it's "for the children", anti gun owner, anti logger, pro environmentalist, and opposes measures that would lead to a colorblind California and strip illegals of the "right" to rape California taxpayers. Politically, Arnold and Hillary only differ on a few points.

[EternalVigilance]

By the way, in my search for which candidates Arnold and Maria gave money to nationally, those were ALL I found...in other words, the ONLY donations I could find were to Democrats...nary a one to a Republican in the last seven years.

Perhaps I'm missing something?

[novacation]

I made more than one grammer mistake in that sentence.You've got a strange way of determining truth. The Willie Brown method.

[pogo101]

I'm STILL waiting for your list of Democratic candidates whom Schwarzenegger has endorsed. You're trying to equate his writing-a-check-to-Patrick-and-Mark-as-a-favor-to-Maria with "endorsement." You understand the difference, don't you?

Again, let's remember my original point: to politely point out that Riordan is a touch to the left of Arnold. But oh no! To people like you, who are bent on trashing They Who Are Not Tom (along with anyone who deviates from your orthodoxy), that is heresy, and you will waste hours trying to find SOME way, SOME argument, in which Arnold Is The Devil.

Let's just say that you won the debate -- and convinced me once again that, given the kind of supporters McClintock unfortunately has (about half of them), I was wrong to support him as long as I did.

[A CA Guy]

Now McClintock "sees the future" and after he lied to Issa and other Republicans more than twice he KNEW his efforts in this race could not spoil, how so?

[A CA Guy]

All relatives of his???

[EternalVigilance]

I'm STILL waiting for your list of Democratic candidates whom Schwarzenegger has endorsed.

Writing a check is the main endorsement most politicians give a rip about, generally.

[novacation]

I can't stand Issa because to those damned annoying car alarms. He seems very strange to me.

[EternalVigilance]

All relatives of his???

I was simply refuting the contention that he hadn't ever given money to RATs, like his 'good friend and MENTOR', Warren I-Never-Saw-An-Abortion-I-Didn't-Like Buffett. You know, the Hillary supporter?

[EternalVigilance]

Let's just say that you won the debate -- and convinced me once again that, given the kind of supporters McClintock unfortunately has (about half of them), I was wrong to support him as long as I did.

The truth hurts, doesn't it...

[novacation]

You assume that he lied and the others are telling the truth. What do you base that on? There are plenty of party goons screaming for him to get out. Is it an Ahnold thing?

[PhiKapMom]

Very good response. I never had problems for the most part with the Buchanan folks on here -- all I did was warn some of you that you couldn't trust Ross Perot -- didn't spend all those years in Texas without knowing Perot was scum!

I think there are enough disruptors to go around myself! Just wait until they morph into new names and come after Pres Bush next. At times this has seemed like a dry run for 2004 election! Already have seen the posts that Dean is not so bad! Yeah right!

[pogo101]

First off, I checked www.opensecrets.org, and I find only 3 contribs by Arnold in the 2004, 2002 and 2000 election cycles -- all $1000 to the aforementioned failed-in-primary candidacy of Mark Shriver. But it turns out you were being deceitful. You posted contribs by Maria, clearly implying they were by Arnold himself, in a discussion focusing (or, once focusing on) whether Arnold is or is not more liberal than Riordan.

I don't see any ARNOLD contribs to a Democrat other than Mark Shriver unless I go all the way back to 1991-93, when he gave a grand to Joe Kennedy Jr. -- and a grand each to the CA GOP and Bruce Herschensohn. To answer your question, I don't like that Arnold's contribs to the GOP are light, at best, at least in the monetary sense. But once one filters out your deceptive inclusion of Maria's contributions, it's not nearly AS bad. In any event, to try, AGAIN, to get back to the original point: Isn't it true that Riordan's contributions to Democrats over the same period is much more than these somewhat troubling Arnold contribs-to-Democrats? Or does that not matter to you, given that your purpose isn't honest discussion of the issues but rather Arnold-bashing for its own sake?

[A CA Guy]

I did not assume. You have Issa and several other stories where he said one thing to Republican groups and did another.

Plus his remaining in againt the leading Republican also speaks volumes.

[pogo101]

Let's just say that you won the debate -- and convinced me once again that, given the kind of supporters McClintock unfortunately has (about half of them), I was wrong to support him as long as I did.

The truth hurts, doesn't it...

Well, the second part of my post is the true part. So you tell me if it hurts.

[EternalVigilance]

First off, I checked www.opensecrets.org, and I find only 3 contribs by Arnold in the 2004, 2002 and 2000 election cycles -- all $1000 to the aforementioned failed-in-primary candidacy of Mark Shriver. But it turns out you were being deceitful. You posted contribs by Maria, clearly implying they were by Arnold himself, in a discussion focusing (or, once focusing on) whether Arnold is or is not more liberal than Riordan.

Deceitful? Hah! All I did was post the entire report from the FEC.

I don't see any ARNOLD contribs to a Democrat other than Mark Shriver unless I go all the way back to 1991-93, when he gave a grand to Joe Kennedy Jr. -- and a grand each to the CA GOP and Bruce Herschensohn.

But you asserted there were none, very strongly and insultingly.

To answer your question, I don't like that Arnold's contribs to the GOP are light, at best, at least in the monetary sense.

Light? LOL...

But once one filters out your deceptive inclusion of Maria's contributions, it's not nearly AS bad.

Nothing deceptive about it. It is insulting for you to say it is. It's just the plain facts of the matter.

In any event, to try, AGAIN, to get back to the original point: Isn't it true that Riordan's contributions to Democrats over the same period is much more than these somewhat troubling Arnold contribs-to-Democrats?

They both suck to high heaven.

Or does that not matter to you, given that your purpose isn't honest discussion of the issues but rather Arnold-bashing for its own sake?

Only an AS supporter could consider the cold hard facts to be 'bashing'.