Perspective: Die-hard Confederates should be reconstructed

St. Augustine Record ^ | 09/27/2003 | Peter Guinta

[billbears]

It might have been a lucky shot from the Housatonic, leaks caused by the torpedo explosion, an accidental strike by another Union ship, malfunction of its snorkel valves, damage to its steering planes or getting stuck in the mud.

I don't remember hearing about the ingenuity of the damn yankees in building a submarine and sinking the first ship in history by it do you? But it's better to curse the names of brave men who served their state well than to look at the beliefs of anti-Semites we're supposed to honor as good 'Americans'

[republicanwizard]

Oh I forgot. Senator Douglas refused to give you congressional protection of your brutal, peculiar institution.

[Cobra Scott]

Lets see, the fire hose was invented, when? And slavery was abolished in this country when?

Let me guess; public school made yew a grate minde....

[warchild9]

I oppose secession for the reasons most states proferred in the nineteenth century: protection of their "way of life", which means slavery.
I promote secession now because:
1. the Southern people are unique, and have the right to make their own political decisions: not Maine moose hunters, not illegal Mexicans in California, nor any Yankee;
2. the Federal government is dysfunctional, and no longer works for the commonweal, but for whoever pays for election campaigns;
3. it's obvious (and inevitable) that the United States will break up, and we've got to be ready on a more local level to pick up the pieces when this, one of the last, great nation-states, disintegrates.

[Paul C. Jesup]

People like them are sore winners.

[TexConfederate1861]

Well, maybe they were better off than they were in Africa....but of course a enlightened Neo-Yank like yourself wouldn't consider that possibility.

[warchild9]

I've never turned fire hoses on anyone. More red herrings. You've gotten your ideas about the South from television, I fear.

[TexConfederate1861]

You are right...but I would like to "whip" some Yankee Freepers...hehe :)

[Texas_Dawg]

I promote secession now

Do you keep your money or 401k in the American stock market?

Do you watch sports on television?

Please answer. I'm just curious.

[warchild9]

Mr. Dawg, arguing with you is like running in the Special Olympics--even if one wins, one is still retarded. I'm not going to nip the bait. Go away.

[republicanwizard]

So freeing a man after one dies justifies denying the man of his freedom while he lives?

How stupid. Or, how neoconfederate!

[Cobra Scott]

Like that of my family, the ones who moved to Mexico (Texas), at least. As poor as they were, they could not see the justification of slavery.

[republicanwizard]

Oh, yes, the South was so peaceful in desegregating.

[billbears]

Then of course we have a war criminal comparing all sorts of races of people as inferior

Sherman himself certainly did not believe that "each man is as good as another." For example, in 1862 Sherman was bothered that "the country" was "swarming with dishonest Jews" (see Michael Fellman, Citizen Sherman, p. 153). He got his close friend, General Grant, to expel all Jews from his army. As Fellman writes, "On December 17, 1862, Grant . . . , like a medieval monarch . . . expelled ‘The Jews, as a class,’ from his department." Sherman biographer Fellman further writes that to Sherman, the Jews were "like n****rs" and "like greasers (Mexicans) or Indians" in that they were "classes or races permanently inferior to his own."

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Should we take the union flag of the grave of men like that too? Wonder when Morris Dees is going to have a conclave attack the memory of this 'hero'...

[warchild9]

West Virginians had every right to secede from the Confederacy.
The question I like to ask is: if it was right for the Ukraine, and right for Lithuania, and right for the Czech Republic, why is independence not right for the South?

[Question_Assumptions]

Oh please, "if you disagree, leave" is an extremely elitist cop out.

Not at all. My grandfather came to this country to be an American. When people asked him to become involved in Scottish things, he basically told them if he loved Scotland so much, he would have stayed there. If you don't love a country, then it really does make sense to try to find a country you can love.

It isn't a simple matter of disagreement when people claim that they are not a "citizen" but a "subject", not a simple matter of disagreement when people start objecting to other people being burried under an American flag (considering it an insult rather than an honor), and not a simple matter of disagreement when people start talking about "eternal enemies". I expect that sort of crap from Islamofascists, not Americans citizens.

If you don't like someone being a part of something you have a duty to defend, why don't you leave?

I'm not the one talking about my country as if it is being occupied by a hostile foreign nation. That is exactly how many Southerners here seem to feel.

[Paul C. Jesup]

Last time I looked, no one is truly free in this nation, we are all still slaves to the Federal Government.

You are aware Lincoln wanted to ship all the blacks back to Africa.

[TomServo]

Mr. Dawg, arguing with you is like running in the Special Olympics--even if one wins, one is still retarded. I'm not going to nip the bait. Go away.

I'll be crying laughing over that one for days...

Thanks!

[TexConfederate1861]

Not MY institution...and just who are you anyway, a black person with a VERY LARGE CHIP on his shoulder?

Get over it. My ancestors didn't fight for slavery. Just freedom from Yankees....You are a PERFECT example why!