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Huge Blow to McClintock. California GOP to Formally Endorse Arnold Schwarzenegger 2pm PST Today

Posted on 09/29/2003 11:10:57 AM PDT by Hillary's Lovely Legs

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To: BunnySlippers; DoughtyOne
McClintock has displayed a political (as opposed to an ideological) rigidity that renders him uniquely unfit to be governor of the hodgepodge that is California.
281 posted on 09/29/2003 1:54:30 PM PDT by Mia T (SCUM (Stop Clintons' Undermining Machinations))
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To: BlackElk
illegals are cynically brought across the border to help Muffy and Skipper put the hired help in their place,

How much do you want to bet Arnold has a housekeeper named Rosa and a gardener named Juan?

282 posted on 09/29/2003 1:55:35 PM PDT by Canticle_of_Deborah
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Yep, I just notified my G.O.P. rep of the same. It felt good! Especially since all the committee work she had planned for me is down the drain<,/i>

See this?


283 posted on 09/29/2003 1:56:07 PM PDT by Robert_Paulson2 (robert... the rino...)
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To: Hillary's Lovely Legs
Speaking of principles vs RINOism:

How do all those here feel about “W”?

And why?
284 posted on 09/29/2003 1:56:10 PM PDT by Kay Soze (Speaking of conservative principles how do you feel about "W"?)
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To: Canticle_of_Deborah
How much do you want to bet Arnold has a housekeeper named Rosa and a gardener named Juan?

LOL

285 posted on 09/29/2003 1:56:29 PM PDT by yonif ("If I Forget Thee, O Jerusalem, Let My Right Hand Wither" - Psalms 137:5)
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To: Nam Vet
Regrettably they will back him then as they back him now. They cannot very well claim that they have not been warned. They simply don't give a rat's patoot over anything that is important. They have convinced themselves that Arnold = tax cut. Boy, are they in for a surprise unless they are zillionaires and even then the legislature will resist and win.
286 posted on 09/29/2003 1:56:30 PM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as his wife's Uncle Teddy or her Uncle Bobby)
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To: BunnySlippers
I agree with you.
287 posted on 09/29/2003 2:01:15 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
Bill Simon, whose political experience is limited to one losing election, looked at the polls, realized he hadn't held on to his voters from last fall, realized it was going to be a difficult to impossible job to get them back in six to eight weeks, even with his independent wealth, and pulled out of the race. Tom, a twenty to thirty year political veteran, looked at the same polls, showing that he didn't hold on to his voters from last fall, had an even more difficult (let's face it, impossible) job to get them all back due to his more limited finances...and chose to keep running until he hits bottom. Who looks more like the amateur?
288 posted on 09/29/2003 2:01:25 PM PDT by RichInOC (Recall Gray. Elect Arnold. Deep-fry Cruz...he's oily enough.)
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To: Bikers4Bush
If Arnold goes down, Davis stays. Doesn't matter whether McClintock stays in or not. Same result either way.
289 posted on 09/29/2003 2:01:41 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: .cnI redruM
Sorry, I am once again late to the party, but I was busy receiving instuctions from the Bildabergers, or was it the Fatburgers (you want Fatfries or thinfries...or thighs) on how to get this RINO into the most powerful office in, uh, some parts of Northern California...but, again, I digress...

The wife and I were having a discussion just this AM about how Ahronld may be our Emperor Commodus...Geez, I hope not, not least of all for his sake!!!

290 posted on 09/29/2003 2:01:41 PM PDT by TommyUdo (The Democrat Party, Pimping off Po' Folk and Balkanizing Republicans since 1964)
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To: Robert_Paulson2
See this?

Yep. Time for you to pop the champaign cork, Robert.

291 posted on 09/29/2003 2:01:47 PM PDT by EternalVigilance
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To: Kay Soze
How do all those here feel about “W”? And why?

Well I love " W" and support him on 90% of the issues, but after this election in California, I am not sure. If we indeed come up with a third party, hmmmmmmm could be a interesting election come 2004! All the dynamics of our political system are churning around like "the big wheel" on "Wheel Of Fortune".!

292 posted on 09/29/2003 2:09:57 PM PDT by pollywog
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To: blackie
We have Peter Fitzgerald in the Senate. He is neither Feinswine nor is he Boxer. My Congressman is Don Manzullo. My county (Winnebago) is a large one in Illinois. There is one Democrat state representative who narrowly defeated a Mexican social conservative Republican woman. Every other state representative is a social conservative Republican and so is every State Senator.

Ordinari;y, Illinois has had Republican governors with the good taste to be well to Arnie's right, if not perfect. Lyin' RINO George Ryan ended a 26-year GOP dominance of state offices here. He ran pro-life, pro-family, pro-law enforcement, anti-tax and anti-spend against a genuinely conservative Democrat (then Congressman Glenn Poshard). Lyin' George won by 4% on the usual lame party arguments. He then proceeded to commute every death penalty to life other than a handful pardoned because of DNA proof of innocence (as to which no complaint) but among those preserved for potential pardon was a charming couple who cut a pregnant woman to death to remove her late-term baby to kidnap it to apply for welfare. Lyin' George also went fully pro-abort, signed funding legislation (a first for Illinois), signed a faggot's rights bill, kept gun controls, raised taxes and spending payoffs to leftists.

The Republican Attorney General,James Ryan (no relation as we were constantly reminded during his inept but losing gubernatorial campaign) though pro-life, gave $300,000 in discretionary lawsuit proceeds to Jesse Jackson for a job retraining program for women and also refused to attempt the indictment of Lyin' George Ryan for selling Tractor-Trailer drivers' licenses for $300 per pop. (They will be driving on roads near your family too). We hold out hope that the US Attorney will do the indicting and send Lyin' George Ryan to die in federal prison where he belongs. Many of his aides have already been convicted in the scheme and he is always named as an unindicted co-conspirator. Courtesy of Lyin' George Ryan, we lost the State Senate for the first time in memory as most GOP candidates apologized for being alive and lost state constitutional offices and lost seats in the state house. These are the wages of public policy cowardice. We retain Judy Bahr Topinka as State Treasurer. The sooner she is defeated the better.

I was not attempting to change minds just testifying to the truth.

I chaired Ronaldus Maximus's challenge to Ford in my previous state of residence and I will bet you did not.

293 posted on 09/29/2003 2:15:00 PM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as his wife's Uncle Teddy or her Uncle Bobby)
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To: RichInOC
Simon.
294 posted on 09/29/2003 2:16:34 PM PDT by BlackElk (Schwarzenegger is as Republican as his wife's Uncle Teddy or her Uncle Bobby)
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To: Kevin Curry
Who needs rules? Who needs principles? "Give us Barabbas!"

I am sure you did not mean it this way, but I find this highly offensive, since it casts McClintock in the role of the Messiah. Please don't use this analogy again. Thank you.

295 posted on 09/29/2003 2:17:57 PM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: BlackElk; hchutch; onyx; strela; Tamsey; CheneyChick; Chancellor Palpatine; DoughtyOne; ...
Today, when all priority is placed upon tax cuts for the wealthiest (I am not enough of a sap to claim that the tax cuts have been fairly distributed)

Hmm. Someone claiming that the tax cuts only went to the wealthiest Americans...

Never mind the fact that the poor don't actually PAY income tax once they get their EITC "refund."

You're still not convincing me of your alleged conservatism.

296 posted on 09/29/2003 2:19:17 PM PDT by Poohbah ("[Expletive deleted] 'em if they can't take a joke!" -- Major Vic Deakins, USAF)
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To: BlackElk; Poohbah; daviddennis; rdb3; PeoplesRep_of_LA; Luis Gonzalez; PhiKapMom; JohnHuang2; ...
First of all, what exactly is a "genuine conservative"?

Second, where in the mind of some people here, does this leave folks like me, who might not really be focus on/care much about a number of social issues?

I'm pro-life (I make excpetions for rape and when the life of the mother is at stake) because I feel that the only time I'm justified in taking a life is when someone poses a threat to mine. The rape issue is one where there are good arguments on both sides, and I don't think I can speak for a woman in that position.

I don't buy the Michelle Malkin line on immigration - and in fact, I have come to oppose it pretty strongly. I have had some serious concerns and doubts about efforts to legislate morality, mostly from the left, but some on the right.

I don't go along with a lot of the entertainment-bashing. I happen to like listening to gangster rap, Howard Stern, and watching South Park, but I don't limit myself to that - I have a big variety of likes in the entertainment arena (my musical taste goes from some classical music to the aforementioned gangster rap; I'll read just about any book on World War II, naval history, by Tom Clancy; I like a host of movies and would consider myself a History Channel addict).

I am NOT the type of person who favors the political equivalent of a banzai charge - I prefer to instead take what I can and go for the rest later, and I will always support the most viable conservative where I run, barring actions like those of John Warner in the 1994 Senate race (which PERMANENTLY cost Mr. Warner my vote).

If I lived in California, I would vote YES on the recall and for Schwarzenegger on the grounds that the reason this recall started, and gained ground was because Gray Davis lied about California's financial condition to win re-election, and then tried to make up the deficit by illegally raising the car tax there. No social issues were involved in that, and to press them at this time is not what I consider a practical course of action.

Ultimately, I want low tax rates (a flat tax and the elimination of the corporate income tax). I want government to butt out of most of the things that some folks have had it get involved in. I think serious reforms (at a minimum) are needed in other areas. I'm with the neo-conservatives with regards to the war on terror and when it comes to foreign policy in general.

If I am not a "genuine conservative", then what am I? Is my support even desired on issues where there is common ground? I'd like to know if there is still a place for me as a conservative, or if I'm just some RINO who needs to be purged.

An honest answer would be appreciated, because, quite frankly, I want to know where I stand with people.
297 posted on 09/29/2003 2:22:52 PM PDT by hchutch ("I don't see what the big deal is, I really don't." - Major Vic Deakins, USAF (ret.))
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To: BlackElk

298 posted on 09/29/2003 2:26:18 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: StoneColdGOP
This is starting to be typical of Mr. S's supporters, they can't go far attacking Tom on issues or qualifications, so they resort to character assassination. Speaks a lot of you folks.

No, no. We are attacking a certain behavior that is not admirable. When someone behaves badly, not in the best interest of the cause of civilization, one should be called to account. His behavior is what attacks his character. We don't attack his character.
299 posted on 09/29/2003 2:27:52 PM PDT by Vinomori
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To: BlackElk
I know, I know, you're the best republican there is ~ enjoy your self importance. :-/


I got that you don't like Arnold Schwarzenegger, your unrelenting attack on him will not help or hinder his election to the governorship of California.

Maybe you should get over it as you don't even have vote in the matter. :):)

PS I don't either. :-/
300 posted on 09/29/2003 2:29:46 PM PDT by blackie
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