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Blackpowder, bowling balls and sewer pipe! (Fire in the hole!!!)
One Fine September Morning... ^

Posted on 09/27/2003 8:39:41 PM PDT by mhking

Ah, serendipity. Being in the right place at the right time.
As it happened, this fine and sunny September Sunday morning found me and a few others at the local gun range, sighting in- or trying to- some rifles. Some were cooperating, some weren't. A normal outing to the range, really...

Until this fellow pulls up and starts unloading a big 'ol hunk o' pipe.

Pipe? Bowling balls?

I thought he was going to bury it as a new target stand or something.... 'til I saw the Bowling Balls. I then immediately knew it must be what some call a "punt" mortar! I'd seen similar handmade ones on the 'net and in magazines... naturally, we all completely forgot about our own rifles for the moment.

How far'zat thing go, anyway?

The Gun Range is a nice place- raised, covered shooting line, plenty of tables, well-kept grounds. The first line of targets is at 100 yards, with small berms and pipe target stands at 200, 300 and 400 yards as well, plus a trail/road to drive up to 'em if you need to. And at 500 yards, right at the base of the stand of trees off in the distance, is a full-size steel cutout of a moose, painted day-glo orange. Above, the guy with the mortar is pouring in some three ounces of Fg (coarse) Pyrodex black powder...

This sucker is huge!

This thing is huge! Probably weighing some 150 pounds, half-inch-nominal wall pipe with a massive two-inch-thick breechblock welded on one end. The touchhole or fuse passage leads to a small "chamber" in the center that holds the powder in a single spot, rather than letting it cover the whole 8.5" bore.

Crude, but it works.

Crude, yes, but it works. The owner is reluctant to do any additional welding on the pipe, for fear of making a weak or brittle spot, so he just stacks up whatever's handy to hold it, oh, 'bout there or so. This thing's so cool I want to make the guy some adjustable legs like the old 4.2" Chemical Mortar had....

Fire in the hole!

Three ounces of Pyrodex, an old garage-sale-special bowling ball, an old chair and some sewer pipe... Fire in the hole!

I'll be over here where it's safe...

He's not running, but he ain't dawdling either! Let's see, the fuse burns at about one minute per foot, there's about six inches there... dum da dum... carry the three...

KABOOM!

HOLY FREAKING BATTLESHIP MISSOURI! By the time the shutter snapped, the ball was, in relation to this picture on your screen, about six monitors up and climbing. It was whistling. I lost track of it since I was trying to get the picture, but the guys say it cleared the treeline by probably another hundred yards.

Let's do that again!

Let's do that AGAIN! Rod out the fuse hole, make sure there aren't any errant embers, pull the mortar up out of the divot it created, weigh out another charge of powder, another bowling ball... This time I was watching downrange with the camera pointing at the cannon... Holy Creeping God, ladies and gentlemen! That ball was screaming out of there! I'd wager it landed over 600 yards downrange.

I should have brought out my Radar Chrony. I'd guess that ball wasn't moving over 700 fps, possibly as low as 400 fps, but jeez, think of the mass! That ball's what, eight to ten pounds?!? What's the Hatcher's Index of a projectile weighing fifty-thousand grains moving at 400 fps? "Body armor" against this thing is eight feet of dirt over a concrete bunker!

Excavations?

Think Grandpas' old thirty-thirty is a kicker? How about a hundred-plus-pound gun that pushes itself into the dirt six to eight inches each time it goes off? This is not a shoulder arm.

After all four balls were expended, we helped load it back in the guy's car. I noted that there were some divots from earlier shoots... he said he gathers up old balls whenever he can find 'em, then when he has a few, on a nice day he'll come out and blow 'wm downrange. Says it always draws a crowd. I said "so there's already a few balls out there in the swamp, eh?"
"Oh, more than a few, yeah."

He says he also has a short cannon that takes small tomato-sauce cans and another mortar that takes soda cans. The soda cans, it seems, don't hold together well- the force of firing blows the can off the concrete fill, which then blows up in the air.

Besides, he says, NOTHING beats seeing that bowling ball howl downrange as far as the eye can see.

I agree. :) The pictures don't do this justice; this is something every Tinker or gadget freak should see in person at least once in their life.


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To: Tijeras_Slim
Slim, that probably is more my speed!!!
241 posted on 09/29/2003 2:41:13 PM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Mulder
I wonder what that bowling ball would do to a UN vehicle driven by turd-worlders who are trying to disarm the American people?

As much damage as we decided to inflict!!!!

;<)

242 posted on 09/29/2003 4:24:44 PM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Eaker
As much damage as we decided to inflict!!!!

LOL!

243 posted on 09/29/2003 5:38:52 PM PDT by Mulder (Fight the future)
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To: Mulder; HoustonCurmudgeon; Squantos; Travis McGee; TheMom; humblegunner; thackney
This could be a new communication system!!!

Rather than sending boring emails, we could scribble our message on a sticky note, put it on a bowling ball and then launch them back and forth between Florida and Texas!!!!

Gives a whole new meaning to "incoming mail"!!!!

Gotta go steal some more bowling balls!!!

244 posted on 09/29/2003 5:46:01 PM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Eaker; Mulder; Squantos; Travis McGee; TheMom; humblegunner; thackney
Tom,

Just today it occurred to me that one of the Deacons in my Church and her husband, own Emerald Lanes in Alief. I will call tomorrow and find out what they do with the worn out ammo ... er .... balls.

245 posted on 09/29/2003 6:16:58 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
My non-FReeper friends and co-workers think that I am crazy. That means that we are heading in the right direction.

It is going to take some muscle to to this, but it would be great fun!!!

We have the minds here to do it big and safely. It could really be a great weekend!!

246 posted on 09/29/2003 6:23:28 PM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Eaker
We have the minds here to do it big and safely. It could really be a great weekend!!

Lets not get to wrapped up in this safety crap. I suggest we just have a designated beer holder, a long fuse, and a good pair of track shoes!!!!

247 posted on 09/29/2003 6:30:17 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: archy
Did you hear about Clamper 1797 ?

Another one bites the dust...


Cheers,

knews hound

(AKA "Doc" ECV Chapter 3, Lord Sholto Douglas)

248 posted on 09/29/2003 7:07:30 PM PDT by knews_hound (Out of the NIC ,into the Router, out to the Cloud....Nothing but 'Net)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
Old Bowling balls = Aquarium Gravel....maybe with new high tech phenoilcs they don't do that anymore but I remember seeing such a machine that ground them old balls down to nothing.........wait a minute that was my ex-wife maybe ??.... Nope I remember now. It was a machine !

Stay Safe !

249 posted on 09/29/2003 10:18:36 PM PDT by Squantos (Cum catapultae proscriptae erunt tum soli proscript catapultas habebunt.)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
You are probably right!!!!

;<)

250 posted on 09/30/2003 2:25:22 PM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Eaker; Mulder; Squantos; Travis McGee; TheMom; humblegunner; thackney
I'm headed out to dinner, but where are we on the cannon Eaker? I'm looking for a range and ammo.

Should we tell the ATF about this plan or just start firing???

251 posted on 10/11/2003 5:17:29 PM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
BatFag-E's ?!?!?!? They knew about this as soon as we hit the post button couple weeks ago ! Just my opinion of course.........:o)

Stay Safe !

252 posted on 10/11/2003 5:23:13 PM PDT by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon; Squantos; archy; Flyer; humblegunner; Lazamataz
I have the pipe size but not length figured out, further I don't have enough info or experience to check my work. I need somebody here to do the ballistic calcs and determine the appropriate type and amount of powder. I can only make assumptions and we know how far that can get you with Eaker luck on your side.

If we do follow my recommendations and use a slow burning powder we can only start out with a little bit. The ball may just roll out the end. We can keep adding more until we sustain reasonable results.

Then we can get Humble all drunked up and have him push the envelope!!! (I think Laz can talk him into it!)

253 posted on 10/12/2003 9:09:30 AM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
PS: As far as I know the BATF doesn't have a dog in this fight.
254 posted on 10/12/2003 9:10:22 AM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Travis McGee
I'm thinking F-Troop (aka BATF) would not like this, and would classify it as a destructive device. Good thing the guy in the articel stayed anonymous
255 posted on 10/12/2003 9:19:25 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: Eaker
PS: As far as I know the BATF doesn't have a dog in this fight.

I was talking to my brother in law, who happens to be an Austin cop, about using his farm for this. He went nuts on me, laughing his rear off, and said we better check with them. Says the new anti terrorism laws have made them real edgy. Given that they over react in normal times, and we are building a cannon, he may be right.

256 posted on 10/12/2003 9:31:20 AM PDT by HoustonCurmudgeon (PEACE - Through Superior Firepower)
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To: HoustonCurmudgeon
I guess that we could contact them. Maybe somebody less nuts than I should do so.

Any takers out there???

257 posted on 10/12/2003 9:46:34 AM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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To: Rebelbase
Just this past year a guy was killed when part of his head was blown off when he look down the barrel of a fireworks mortar that had misfired.

Sounds like a good reason to keep a mirror on a pole in your toolbox

258 posted on 10/12/2003 9:49:36 AM PDT by SauronOfMordor (Java/C++/Unix/Web Developer === (Finally employed again! Whoopie))
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To: Eaker
I suspect as long as you keep black powder as your powder BatFag-E's won't have issue. Use smokless.......your a terrorist making an explosive device vs an old bowling ball launcher wannabe.

Just how I have seen em act in the past........Stay Safe !

259 posted on 10/12/2003 10:42:56 AM PDT by Squantos ("Ubi non accusator, ibi non judex.")
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To: Squantos
old bowling ball launcher wannabe.

High praise Brother!!! Thanks!!!

;<)

260 posted on 10/12/2003 10:53:58 AM PDT by Eaker (Amateurs built the Ark, professionals built the Titanic.............hmmmmmmmmm ;<)
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