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New Chamber of Commerce Poll: Recall leading 53-41%, Arnold 35%, Cruz 31%, Tom 17%
http://www.calchamber.com/news/index.cfm?id=67&action=detail&navid=270 ^ | 9-27 | Chamber of Commerce Poll

Posted on 09/27/2003 8:37:49 PM PDT by ambrose

New Chamber of Commerce Poll: Recall leading 53-41%, Arnold 35%, Cruz 31%, Tom 17%



TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamante; california; mcclintock; recall; schwarzenegger
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To: fqued; tallhappy
One OBVIOUS way in which Arnold is more conservative than Busty is that Busty has promised to raise taxes.

Another way would be his judicial appointments. Presumably, Arnold will be picking Wilson people to be judges. Wilson's judicial appointments were not anything to write home about... but they were not terrible either.

161 posted on 09/27/2003 10:41:52 PM PDT by ambrose (Make October 7th the Official "Hug-a-RINO Day")
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To: fqued
And Tom has absolutely ruined his future in politics... which couldn't happen to a more deserving candidate.
162 posted on 09/27/2003 10:41:54 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: ambrose
At the rate McClintock's "surging" it will take some time for him to over take Ahnold:

If only we could postpone the election till Feb!

Maybe we should not have laughed at the 9th Circus so loudly.
163 posted on 09/27/2003 10:43:07 PM PDT by Kay Soze (If punch card voting is not legal than Davis is not the Gov and Gore did not win California!)
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To: Yossarian
But I'd rather fight this scenario than see California eviscerated by La Raza Man.

Only slightly more likely than Tom Metzger taking over -- and that beauce of the condescending attitudes of liberals to "minorities".

But Shriver, RFK Jr and others are real and experieced. They know machine poltics and are not conservative.

Liberals do not want Cruz Bustamante to win the California Governorship. He is supposed to be seen and not heard and have no power whatsoever.

He will throw the dems in disarray if he wins.

There is no La Raza power base or power elite. To the extent there is even any "latino" politcal base it is as an adjunct of the liberal left mainstream dems and Dolores Huerta and Anotnio Viilaraigosa are good examples of that. Huerta did not even want to be seen with Bustamante ealrier this month so bitter and lon standing are their differences.

But, to the extent the rolly polly Fresno hick Bustamante has a power base I would love to see them go head to head with the Hollywood Marin country hub of power that dominates the state.

Schwarzenegger is in and of this latter Hollywood elite nexus. He may be more Santa Barbara than Marin, but he poses no threat to their power at all.

Bustamante can cause civil war in the dems.

This is why recall is paramount but Schwarzenegger is a fly in the ointment.

Simon, McClintock and Schwarzenegger should have let Issa take it. It would have been a show down between him and Davis.

Bustamante was never supposed to be in this position nor be governor ever.

The numbers bear this out. His numbers are below those against recall. Mainstream dems do not support him.

He is not part of the elite and never has been. In no way does this mean he is good or on our side.

But the problem is, Schwarzenegger isn't on our side either. He is with the Hollywood media elite -- that's all he knows literally and figuratively.

He came up, out, and in that way. That's all he knows except for also knowing the Kennedy way.

He poses no threat whatsoever to the democract elite and their power base.

164 posted on 09/27/2003 10:43:29 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: Torie
Ping... almost forgot to holler atcha.......
165 posted on 09/27/2003 10:44:45 PM PDT by deport
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To: fqued
One longtime Freeper even said that he (she?) would even vote for Maxine Waters over McClintock.
166 posted on 09/27/2003 10:45:41 PM PDT by ambrose (Make October 7th the Official "Hug-a-RINO Day")
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To: tallhappy; Tamsey; Tempest; redlipstick; EggsAckley; FairOpinion; South40; PhiKapMom; BibChr
Congratulations!

Your post has been nominated as one of today's MOST OUTRAGEOUS COMMENTS for your suggestion that it would be better having Bustamante as governor than Arnold. You'll be thrilled to know that your comment will be added to the Hall of Shame, comprised of other shrill comments by McClintock's increasingly desperate supporters, such as:

-- Posts (plural) that proclaim that "if you vote for Arnold, you're not a Christian."
-- An admission that some are creating an "enemies list" of sorts made up of the FR screen names who support Arnold, and of organizations that support him, intended to be a list of people and groups who have proven themselves "unreliable."
-- A suggestion that there needs to be a "true conservative" challenge to President Bush for the nomination, so McClintock should run against him in the primaries. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990293/posts)
-- A suspicion about Darrell Issa's claim that McClintock made a promise to him that his candidacy would not damage the chances of electing a Republican in the recall, because Issa is "a terrorist sympathizer." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990452/posts?page=246#246)
-- The comment that "Arnold wants to use your tax dollars to slaughter unborn children," along with the corresponding comment that Arnold's supporters are "babykillers." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990641/posts?page=81#81)
-- The suggestion that Arnold is a rapist/woman-hater who is not only like Bill Clinton, but "Arnold IS Bill Clinton!" And in an encore performance, the claim that Arnold's supporters have become Clinton as well. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990490/posts?page=36#36)
-- The wish, because of White House involvement in encouraging candidates who can actually win, that "With any luck, Karl Rove will be in prison in fairly short order." (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990793/posts?page=12#12)
-- One's hope that he will lose his job and that the entire California economy will tank, simply to embarrass Governor Schwartzenegger. (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/990490/posts?page=26#26)

167 posted on 09/27/2003 10:46:54 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: projectile
McClintock has long supported and always taken donations from the tribes.

Schwarznegger also supports tribal gambling expansion and took campaign dollars from them for his earlier proposition to provide day care for kids after school at taxpayer expense.

Schwarzenegger is close with Nevada gambling concerns as well, which may partly explain his focus on this issue. But really it is Bustamante abusing the system. McClintock actually could have done the same thing as Bustamante and used the same loophole but did not.

168 posted on 09/27/2003 10:48:20 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: ambrose
you wrote: One longtime Freeper even said that he (she?) would even vote for Maxine Waters over McClintock.


IF that is true, and I haven't seen such a post, that would be as much a travesty as saying that Bustamante is preferable to Arnold.

PLEASE give us a link, so we can see it in print.
169 posted on 09/27/2003 10:52:06 PM PDT by fqued (They spend spend spend, then tax tax tax; and where are the jobs? gone gone gone)
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To: nopardons
Giulliani is much more conservative than Schwarzenegger. He was surely much more conservative than Dinkins.

Cruz and Arnold, though, aren't that different.

You also miss the dynamics of this recall. It is not Dinkins vs Giulianni.

Bustamante did not win the support of his party for this.

He is damaged goods going in, a vulture not a victor.

170 posted on 09/27/2003 10:52:33 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: byteback
Where does "W" fit in here?

Very good question!

Especially given that some people here that consider Rnold a RINO at the same time consider "W" a "true conservative"!

171 posted on 09/27/2003 10:53:49 PM PDT by Kay Soze (If punch card voting is not legal than Davis is not the Gov and Gore did not win California!)
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To: tallhappy
Sorry, no double nomination for "Most Outrageous Comment" allowed. You must come up with an original outrageous comment to qualify a second time.
172 posted on 09/27/2003 10:54:32 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: ambrose
Wow, if this could go on till 2015, Tom could have a chance.

Meanwhile he has lost tough with party and is a spoiler who can't be trusted with any future in CA.
173 posted on 09/27/2003 10:55:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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To: A CA Guy
you wrote of TM: "Meanwhile he has lost tough with party and is a spoiler who can't be trusted with any future in CA."


Actually, given that Arnold will probably win even with Tom in the race, that may relegate Tom to irrelevancy. That is far worse than being a spoiler or not being trusted.
174 posted on 09/27/2003 10:58:14 PM PDT by fqued (They spend spend spend, then tax tax tax; and where are the jobs? gone gone gone)
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To: Texasforever
Texas, in truth I've never seen your posts before on FR, but I have to say that YOU ROCK!
175 posted on 09/27/2003 10:58:38 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: tallhappy
Your thinking is very consistent.

Busta_Mecha believes in giving back the Cally Fonia land to indigenous people and takes large sums of money from them ; as does McClintock.


176 posted on 09/27/2003 11:01:46 PM PDT by Kay Soze (If punch card voting is not legal than Davis is not the Gov and Gore did not win California!)
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To: fqued; Texasforever; Poohbah
"Schwarzenegger could implode tomorrow, and I'd vote for Gary Coleman over McClintock in a heartbeat. McClintock's supporters have convinced me of that much."
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/976103/posts?page=67#67

177 posted on 09/27/2003 11:01:49 PM PDT by ambrose (Make October 7th the Official "Hug-a-RINO Day")
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To: tallhappy
You don't know that much about Rudy then and less about Arnold. Rudy, BTW, is going to California to stump for Arnold.

And no, your recall election is NOT analogus to ANY other election, since other states haven't pulled one off. Still and all, Arnold is NOT for partial birth abortion and Rudy is. I could go on, but I doubt you'll listen to reason/facts.

178 posted on 09/27/2003 11:02:22 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons
These people are DOG IN THE MANGER Conservatives.

They are "WHINOs", Republican "Not-Even-In-Name-Only," my-way-or-the-highway conservatives. In fact, I'm not even sure they're conservatives; they impress me as simply cranky old farts.

179 posted on 09/27/2003 11:02:23 PM PDT by My2Cents (Well...there you go again.)
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To: fqued
He will still demand attention the way he did in this race.
He lied about spoiling this race to Issa who he had given his word to.
He is not to be trusted and his future desperation for attention will lead him to a third party like Libertarian.
Look for Tom to not only take Indian money, but to be pro-drugs for the Libertarian party.

I do expect a last second BS schmoozing by the loser McCLintock after his attempt to spoil from Arnold's camp.
Hope they urinate all over him as they should when he comes looking for left-overs.
180 posted on 09/27/2003 11:05:25 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
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