IS IT TIME FOR AN "ARNOLD-TOM WIN/WIN DEAL" (?) OK. THEN HERE'S HOW....

Free Republic site ^ | 27 September 2003 | AmericanInTokyo

[AmericanInTokyo]

[Opinion. Open for Discussion.]

The vitriol and passion are reaching unparalleled heights.

Arnold Schwarzenegger feels he is close to an October 7th victory and that a knockout punch of both Gray Davis and Cruz Bustamante is within tantalizing reach.

Were it all not for one jagged pebble in his hiking boot. State Senator Tom McClintock.

Both sides are polarized, even here and especially here, on Free Republic. And for damned good reason.

One side, comprised of so-called "RINOs", (moderate-centrists), later joined by pragmatic conservatives who see the paramount need to dethrone the irresponsible and dangerous Socialist Democrat regime in Sacramento, have dug in their heels in for a pitched battle against their new nemesis: the ranks of conservatives of principle who strongly support the continuation of their choice, Senator Tom McClintock, in order to prevent a sellout of the state of California to centrist or moderate political policies down the road.

OK. "Let's Make a Deal".

[Political Junkie Too]

I would like to know the legal definition of "withdraw", even if the candidates name is still on the ballot.

On Hannity and Colmes tonight, Bob Dornan brought up a similar point. He said that McClintock ought to "release his supporters" to vote their conscience in the recall, stopping short of dropping out outright.

-PJ

[Owen]

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Great. Tell us all how that selling job is supposed to be done by a conservative when the liberals (and some Republicans, like GWB) are telling Mexicans and Central Americans that their prize for making it across the border is every social service they can collectively demand.
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Listen to yourself. You are complaining about what leaders are telling Hispanics. You want them to tell them things that will prevent them from being leaders, i.e., elected. What will they be able to tell them if they are not in office?

Focus here. It is a process. It is not an event. You can't undo 30 years of evolved liberalism in one election. The process can't occur if you are not in office. Once there, the slowing of liberalism can take place gradually. It cannot take place rapidly. An attempt to make it rapid will make things worse, because the attempt will lose elections and put liberals back in power to entrench their philosophy even deeper.

Winning matters. All else is 2nd priority. "I'd rather be right than governor"? Fine, indulge that selfishness and condemn your neighbors to life under the opposition.

[Snerfling]

He's been in there fighting for all of us

Actually, he's only been fighting for around 15% of you. The rest of the state ranges from hard-core socialists who would like to put him (and the rest of us) in re-education camps, to conservative Dems and moderate Repubs that would prefer that he stop inteferring with the smooth transition of power to Arnie.

If you really thinks he has your best interests in mind, I've got an excellent piece of land locked property (sorry, no water or power) up in Yolo that has your name all over it.

Of course, you'll have to have some money left over after you buy McC's complete line of video/DVDs, clothing, diet and excercise products, as well as attend his self-esteem rallies after he's booted from his Senate seat and becomes the leader of your particular brand of conservatives.

[Bobibutu]

Thanks - goes to show how ignorant I am on this whole issue.

[halfdome]

When Bill Simon dropped out of the race it was widely said that he was promised support in a race against Barbara Boxer. Everyone seems to have forgotten that when they advocate that McClintock should be promised support.

[SierraWasp]

"He said that McClintock ought to "release his supporters" to vote their conscience in the recall"

Speaking only for myself here... No politician has any chance of "releasing" me whether I support them, or not!!!

As to voting one's "conscience," this implies that one doesn't have one unless they vote for Schwarzenagger. Why on earth would anyone be smitten with some kind of guilty conscience over having weighed the entire situation and then voting by "secret ballot" for whomever their little heart wishes???

I've never heard such slavish, putrid poppycock in my entire 62 years of American Life!!!

Just because I start supporting some politico, doesn't mean I owe them ANY alegiance either before, or after any election. They might owe me some... But certainly not the other way around. I also find it amusing that Dornan is offering any candidate unsolicited advice... publically!!!

People are certainly getting all contorted over stuff they think other people/candidates should be doing in a "free society!" It's like "I'm gonna put a SPELL on you..." It's little wonder some people call it "The Silly Season!"

[L.N. Smithee]

Listen to yourself.

I don't have to. I know what I wrote.

You are complaining about what leaders are telling Hispanics. You want them to tell them things that will prevent them from being leaders, i.e., elected.

I said no such thing. What hat did you pull that out of?

What will they be able to tell them if they are not in office?

Seems now, getting into office can only be accomplished by pandering to illegal immigrants' sense of entitlement, and that is playing on liberals' home turf.

[GOP_1900AD]

The RINOs have been infiltrating the true Conservative base, arguably, since the 1950s. However, the infiltration has ramped up substantially since the end of Reagan's second term. It seems that my hero, RWR, made many of the COUNTRY CLUB FACTION OF THE GOP uncomfortable. As for your attempt to smear me about not having been at FR in '97 or '98, that's a PR failure not any failure on my part. I didn't know about FR before 1999, lurked for a couple of years and then joined. Big deal, I am a busy man.

[GOP_1900AD]

Exactly. And yet, the faux conservatives rip me up here on this thread, labelling me a tin foil hatter, and probably at some point, a Nazi (now THAT would be funny.... for I am a Nazi exposer...). I may be politically incorrect, but I am correct.

[GOP_1900AD]

I would imagine that to a fiscally conservative socially liberal globalist, almost anything that is truly conservative is viewed as extremism. LOL... ;)

[GOP_1900AD]

I can relate. I used to blindly support any and all GOP candidates. Many on this thread say we are in a new time Vs. Reagan. I agree - we are - we are in a time where standing in the middle of the road means getting run over from both sides. Many may not realize it yet, but there are to be much more overt struggles between us on the Right and those on the Left. One must chose now.

[John Valentine]

My remark was certainly not meant as a smear, just an observation.

But what of your remark about people with views similar to mine "infiltrating" the Republican Party?

That wasn't a smear was it? Or was it? You certainly didn't mean it as an endorsement.

Especially when economic conservatives and believers in Liberty have been here from the beginning, not just on FR, but basically from the founding of the party on.

You might expect that there are some like myself that take serious umbrage at remarks referring to "burning down the tent" (Post 129) Now THAT was a really temperate remark.

I'd say that you are in no position to complain about being "smeared".

Sorry, you get no sympathy here.

[GOPJ]

A verbal agreement is as good as the people making it. No more, no less.

A verbal agreement isn't worth the paper it's written on.

[Robert_Paulson2]

When the PTBs of the GOP sit down, put together the math and realize "we can do it without the hardcore right anymore",

and that is what scares the hell out of them...
it is what is driving this confrontation...
"He that has the power to destroy a thing, controls a thing... " Francis Herbert.

They are fighting to gain control of the republican party. Leaving Bush hanging didn't work last presidential eleciton, Buchanan fell flat on his face. Alan got thrown out of the debates, deservedly so.

this is do or die for the righty tighties.

[Robert_Paulson2]

you don't get it ait...
they don't WANT to work this out.

They want to destroy the rino portion of the party, believing THEY are the only true conservatives... and the majority of the party...

[Roscoe]

A verbal agreement is as good as the people making it.

It's only as good as the least honest party to the agreement. That would be Arnold.

[GOPJ]

bump

[Iconoclast2]

A lovely picture of a rhino you have, but an ugly beast all the same. A Republican Party without the "hardcore right" is a Republican Party without principles.

[Robert_Paulson2]

you keep dreaming...