[Burkeman1]

From a real conservative.

[Burkeman1]

For your comments if any.

[stubernx98]

Almost Anything printed in the Seattle times is pure balderdash as this article is.

Only about 15% of people have a global view and GWB is one, as is most of his team. That's why he snookers the Rats at every turn. He has the long view, most statement do.

This administration looks at Iraq as just one piece of the anti terrorist war. Even some DemocRATS understand this but thier lust for their lost power overwhelms their love of country.

This is going to be a decades long struggle, and we need leadership who understands this. this author does not.

[Billthedrill]

A point I made on the previous posting of this article - what Ramsey is recommending is what we did in 1991, and it didn't work. The UN didn't step up to the plate, Iraq slid into chaos, and in retaking control Saddam gassed the Kurds. This policy is the reason we had to do it all over again.

[WOSG]

posted and discussed already.

[WOSG]

Repost of:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/988736/posts

[Cicero]

Here's what Monte Python has to say to Bruce Ramsay:

http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/python/Sounds/aiff/bruces.aiff

[Consort]

Bruce Ramsey's column appears regularly on editorial pages of The Times.

Why?

[Steel and Fire and Stone]

Watch your poll numbers go up.

Opps... this guy's confusing Bush with his predecessor. Happen's all the time. Must be that "West Wing" show..they keep forgetting that America has a REAL PRESIDENT who's motivated to protect American lives over protecting his a**.

Another example of leftist "projection".

SFS

[massadvj]

Unlike most Freepers, I'm not particularly gung-ho on the Iraqi adventure. But I support it reluctantly.

It seems to me that if a bunch of cockroaches ate a pie you left out one evening, you can't very well call the exterminator and tell him to find only those cockroaches that ate the pie and leave the rest of them alone. After 9-11, it was very clear the Middle East needed to be fumigated, and Saddam was one of the queen cockroaches. He may or may not have been tied directly to the pie incident (9-11) but he was clearly an enabler and had to go.

Having taken on the reponsibility, we are duty bound to see it through. So while I think Bush's domestic policy has been a disaster, I pretty much keep my yapper shut on the war. And will continue to do so through thick and thin.

[ChadGore]

Hey Bruce Ramsey MISSION FIRST, you bonehead.

[John Valentine]

Bruce Ramsey is not a conservative, he is an isolationist.

The problem for him and us is this: we have nowhere to run and nowhere to hide any more.

Aircraft have been developed that can cross oceans, to say nothing of intercontinental missiles. Sinister people cross our borders under false pretenses with lethal intent- likely every day. Bio-weapons can be carried in a handbag.

Where Ramsey was while all this developed, I can't say. But- to ignore the facts of our national situation is foolinsh, and worse, it is suicidal.

I think our citizenry knows this, even if without articulation. If George Bush cut and ran from Iraq now, I doubt if he could get his own party's renomination.

To say nothihng of winning a general election.

Better we stay the course. I predict a triunphal Bush visit to liberated, electrically-lit, air-conditioned, well-fed, and newly Democratic Iraq some time in September or early October next year.

The Democrats, socialist fifth-columnists, and new-isolationists of all stripes will be dust under his feet.

[TheDon]

Boy is Bruce in for a surprise. Syria, Iran, Lebanon, ??? We have a long way to go to get to the end of this war. Nations which harbor and support terrorists are not compatible with the modern world.

[boris]

We need to get out--if only because there are numerous other targets requiring attention and we can ill afford to spend $87 billion building a cell-phone network for terrorists, or for flea-bitten camel jockeys.

--Boris

[Criminal Number 18F]

Look up the election of 1952. Also 1968

How about the election of 1860? A litle closer the the current instance... an important war was on, and the Democrats wanted to grab their crying towel and quit. They found a few fellow travellers among nominal Republicans... people like this Patsie isolationist who are weak as water and clueless about world events.

Quitting the war over there won't make it go away. It will bring it here, instead. The day is gone when a strongman like Pat Buchanan's lifelong hero, the odious Francisco Franco, could isolate a nation from the world.

The purpose of this opinion piece is obviously not to encourage George Bush to change his mind. It's in the Seattle Times for crying out loud, an insignificant paper from a cultural backwater; it's a dead certainty that no one at policy-making levels will ever read it. Instead, this is targeted squarely at the Times's usual fans, Birkenstock-shod 60s burnouts. And the purpose of the piece is to encourage them in the fantasy that their ostrich-approach is "bipartisan." Yeah, both the John Walker Lindh fan club and the Franco adulators love it.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

[Cronos]

That's a cowards way out. We can't leave now or else it will be like leaving Beirut -- the US will look weak and invite more attacks like 911 from nutters who think we don't have the will for a long fight.

[J. L. Chamberlain]

A pox on the Neocons!

May a fresh breeze of real conservatism blow away the foul stench of the neos.

J

[RedBloodedAmerican]

"Real" Conservative?

Is that more conservative than a "True" conservative, or is that less conservative than a "Constitutionalist" conservative?

There are so many classes of conservatives anymore, I am disenfranchised.

[RightWhale]

George, here's what to do in Iraq: Declare victory and bring the troops home.

Not gonna happen. Thanks to Seattle and Bruce Ramsey for the suggestion, anyway. But, reality isn't necessarily the first idea you get in your head at age 3.

[lodwick]

Sounds like a plan to me.

[winker]

The ramsey's of this world want to ensure we are attacked on American Soil once again; whats the matter, 3000 souls not enough for you?