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California recall: Does one man hold key? [McClintock]
Christian Science Monitor ^ | 9-25 | Christian Science Monitor

Posted on 09/25/2003 2:54:50 PM PDT by ambrose

The Christian Science Monitor - csmonitor.com

from the September 26, 2003 edition - http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0926/p01s03-uspo.html

California recall: Does one man hold key?

Tom McClintock, top GOP conservative, could tilt race for or against Arnold Schwarzenegger.

By Daniel B. Wood | Staff writer of The Christian Science Monitor

BURBANK, CALIF. - Republican candidate Tom McClintock laughs from deep in the belly when asked if he will be the "spoiler" in the great populist revolution/experiment/circus of California's gubernatorial recall election.

"My opponents say I'm the Ross Perot of this campaign, possibly siphoning off enough votes to hand the election to Democrats," he says, settling onto a shady park bench for an interview. "I say, 'Wait a minute.... Ross Perot was an idle millionaire, with no public-policy experience who one day on a whim entered the presidential race.' That sounds like another candidate in this race ... not me," he says, referring to muscleman/millionaire Arnold Schwarzenegger.

Once a mere asterisk in the con- fused calculus of California's 135-candidate recall election, Mr. McClintock has gradually emerged as the strong, third-place vote getter in polls - rising (at 14-to-18 points) while the two leaders - fellow Republican Schwarzenegger (26 points) and Democratic Lt. Gov. Cruz Bustamante (28 points) - tread water.

As the race enters its final stretch, McClintock's motives and acts are becoming paramount for two reasons. One, splitting the Republican vote, he could cost the party its best chance in a decade of high, statewide office. Two, his candidacy could drag down the success of the recall itself by forcing Republican partisans to reconsider driving Gov. Gray Davis from office because of fear that they could hand the office to a more liberal Democrat, Mr. Bustamante.

Ever since McClintock leaped from 4 percent voter support to double-digits about three weeks ago, the pressure has risen for him to stop offering himself as an alternative to Arnold Schwarzen-egger that could hand the election to Democrats. But as more voters get to know him, his poll numbers have continued to rise, while Schwarzenegger's are flat.

More conservative than Schwarzenegger on social issues - abortion, gay marriage, gun control - he is also far more experienced in fiscal matters, with California's sagging economy the No. 1 issue.

"He is by far the most studied and experienced of all the candidates in fiscal issues and how to implement public policy," says Jack Pitney, political scientist at Claremont McKenna College. "If the election were a college SAT test, McClintock would be the next governor hands down."

Even though he is widely acknowledged as the more knowledgeable, the more articulate, and the more detailed idea-man, 25-year government veteran McClintock does not have the millions of dollars of his chief Republican rival, nor his name recognition. Therein lies one of the chief ironies of the recall: Does he/should he/will he step aside to allow the neophyte challenger - and the Republican party - to gain its best chance of victory?

"He is a man who stands on his word and his principles while claiming time and again that he is in this to the last," says Doug Jeffe, a longtime California political consultant. "If he did get out, it would be totally uncharacteristic of him."

Now, with Schwarzenegger and Bustamante in a near dead heat, one leading Republican, Darrell Issa, the millionaire who bankrolled the signature gathering to oust Davis, has said that if Schwarzenegger or McClintock don't back off, Republicans should vote "no" on the recall. Polls show that if Arnold backed out, McClintock could not win.

But McClintock rejects a widespread analysis that conservative candidates have brought Republican fortunes to their low ebb. He feels the current crisis is the perfect storm for their historic comeback.

"Great parties are built on great principles," says McClintock, referring to the pillars of conservative policy: holding down taxes, cutting waste, standing up for the unborn, and resisting government approval of gay unions. "This is not a time to change our principles."

While such comments win kudos from some for adherence to principle, they strike others as bullheaded.

"McClintock's constant megaphoning of conservative social agendas is presenting a real problem for Republicans who really like him for his fiscal experience," says William Schneider, a pollster and political analyst. "They know Tom has the smarts to get this state out of economic problems and they worry about Arnold's lack of experience and specificity. But they don't think Tom can win and can't resist the fact that Arnold could."

As a child, McClintock campaigned for Barry Goldwater at age 8. In high school he organized classmates into a statewide GOP group. A political-science graduate of UCLA, he became a syndicated columnist railing about former Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown, lauding the character of John Wayne. Hired by a former L.A. police chief-cum-state senator (Ed Davis), McClintock began a 25-year career in Sacramento, marked by opposition to Republican governors George Deukmejian and Pete Wilson over tax hikes and spending waste.

Despite his conservative stances, he was the top GOP vote-getter in the state, running for controller, in the 2002 election.

"I got very little from the state GOP and was outspent by my opponent by 5 to 1," says McClintock. "Despite all that, I lost by less than 1 percent of the vote."

A man who often quotes Reagan and Shakespeare, McClintock is considered a legislative loner with few legislative friends for his near two-decade pursuit of shrinking the state payroll.

In his favorite stump speech he tells why cutting is so important. As a child, he came home from school to find his mother crying over an unexpectedly high tax bill. The moment has lived in his imagination ever since that government takes too much from citizens and delivers too little.

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To: doodlelady
For Roger to say after today"s chat with Tom that "My conclusion is, I made the right decision endorsing Arnold," it meant a LOT. He said "It's Tom's ATTITUDE that makes him a loser, and it's Arnold's ATTITUDE that makes him a winner."

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Exaclty. Character counts. You may have the right spin on the issues, but if all you do is pontificate about them, you belong in a think tank, not in a leadership position.

121 posted on 09/25/2003 4:23:42 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: South40
"Keeping cruz bustamante from becoming California's next governor is what's best for both. Tom staying in and helping elect cruz doesn't help either."

Playing into the fictional problems posed by Tom's presence are what is best for liberals and I must say this message board is alive with this stuff. I cannot tell you how many people I know (and I have friends that are not lockstep with me...) that are waiting becuase they are too scared to vote for McClintock becuase we might "elect Busty". If the people of California are torn between a "consistent" conservative like Tom McClintock, and a "claimed" conservative like Arnold, then maybe "Tough Love" is in order.

Here's to hoping for 2006 when people might get their heads out of their collcetive a%%es after 3 years of "tough love" becuase true, uncompromising conservatives who vote for Tom are not the problem. The negotiators and the moderates within the "Party" are however...
122 posted on 09/25/2003 4:23:54 PM PDT by ProtectorOfTwo (......)
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To: fqued
"Conservatives were wary of Schwarzenegger even before Tax 'em and Kill 'em Buffett joined the campaign. Schwarzenegger claims to be a fiscal conservative and a liberal on social issues. Historically, that means: "liberal."" - Ann Coulter

"Here me now and believe me later, my friends: all these conservative orgasms over Arnold Schwarzenegger are – like the 'Gorbasms' liberals experienced over Mikhail Sergeevich Gorbachev – fake. I know that 'R' next to Schwarzenegger's name excites the White House, but his own words prove he's not a conservative. I call this 'The Hollywood Syndrome,' and it happens every time some actor-type says anything even remotely conservative. I'm not trying to cold shower anybody here, but don't look to anyone in Hollywood to validate your political ideas." - Rush Limbaugh

Just what are those views that prove that Arnold is a liberal? Here they are again:

A liberal by any other name is still a liberal. A Republican who does not believe in Republican values is still a RINO. You can paint a liberal in moderate colors, put an (R) after his name, but he's still a liberal.

Oh, Arnold may not be quite as liberal as the liberal extremists you saw on stage with him last night, but nevertheless he holds a majority of liberal positions and is therefore a liberal.

I know you and others don't like the fact that he is a liberal. But, he is.

He's certainly no conservative. That argument died here log ago after I and other posters started posting his very unconservative views. Now the prevailing argument here is that Arnold is a "moderate" or "centrist" or not as liberal as the other liberals. Well, actually the prevailing argument is "McClintock is unelectable", but if you get an Arniebot to go further than that (which is rare) he'll argume the former points as if they are even laudable.

123 posted on 09/25/2003 4:23:57 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: EternalVigilance
... and Newt Gingrich, and Ann Coulter, and George Schultz, and Milton Friedman and on and on ....

ONLY YOU and other TomBots think that you keepers of the flame. but you're not. You are not the arbitor of conservatism. Get used to it.

124 posted on 09/25/2003 4:24:36 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. McClintock doesn't deserve my vote!)
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To: fqued
You are obviously naive about the issues relevant to the restoration and protection of our right to keep and bear arm--if you believe what you just wrote.

125 posted on 09/25/2003 4:24:45 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
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To: JustAnAmerican
"[Socialism] "

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Why don't you read what Arnold said?

From Arnold's speech at the Republican Convention:


What I saw in Austria made me anti-communist. What I saw in California made me a free-enterprise, fiscally conservative Republican. Republican principles are what built California into the Golden State.

I came to America 35 years ago as an immigrant. By working playing by the rules, my immigrant dreams came true. I want other peoplhard and e to have the same chances, the same opportunities. I am a Republican because of what Ronald Reagan said – government bureaucrats can never substitute for millions of individuals working night and day to make their dreams come true.

That's what being a Republican means.

Let me tell you what being a conservative means to me.

I'm a conservative because I believe communism is evil and free enterprise is good.

I'm a conservative because Milton Friedman is right and Karl Marx was wrong.

I'm a conservative because I believe the government serves the people; the people don't serve the government.

I'm a conservative because I believe in balanced budgets, not budget deficits.

I'm a conservative because I believe the money that people earn is their money – not the government’s money.

And when you look at this driver's license outrage, I'm a conservative because I believe in the rule of law not in political pandering.

The driver's license issue is not about race; it's about law.

It's about a fair playing field. It's about living by the rules.

That's why people come to this country – because our laws mean something.

As governor, I promise you – our laws will mean something.

http://www.joinarnold.com/en/press/pressdetail.php?id=113

126 posted on 09/25/2003 4:25:46 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: EternalVigilance
in reply to: What do you mean? actually he is pro-capitalist. Give us th evidence that he is pro-socialist.

you wrote: Ever hear of afterschool babysitting?

That is not pro-socialist. At its very paranoic worst, that could be considered social engineering, but it is not SOCIALIST!

Words have meanings. If you mean to imply that Arny wants the government to be involved in social concerns that you don't want the government involved in, say that. But the word "socialist" means that the government controls the means of production. Admittedly the meaning has enlarged enough to include a government that taxes the people at a confiscatory rate and then controls the economy almost totally; but that is clearly outside what Arny wants.

Again, you don't have to like or agree with Arny ( I don't agree with him), but at least BE FAIR.


127 posted on 09/25/2003 4:26:55 PM PDT by fqued (facts are nasty little things, but that doesn't mean we should squash them)
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To: PeoplesRep_of_LA
I said the Clintons are desperate to keep California under the DNC... and you twist that and ask how many stops they've made for Bustabudget? Well, none... but that's irrelevant unless you are trying to distort something there. They have, however, been helping and campaigning for Davis as you well know, don't you? :-)

Additionally, your map is pretty but also irrelevant. I don't recall folks saying that Arnold will deliver California to Bush, merely that it would force the DNC to actually spend time and resources there in 2004 when they don't have to now. Even if Arnold can't give Bush the votes in California, it will force the DNC to use resources there that they would rather use in more borderline states.

Lastly, again that map is pretty... but it is comparing apples to asparagus. You showed states with your self-determined definition of RINO governors that went to Gore, and then you showed states with Dem governors that went to Bush. To show any meaning between the two, you need to show states with RINO governors that went to Bush. That IS what your supposed point is.... Arnold as a RINO and whether it will help CA go to Bush. Funny that you would completely leave that out of your graphic.
128 posted on 09/25/2003 4:27:30 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: ProtectorOfTwo
"maybe "Tough Love" is in order. "

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Funny! That is exactly what we are going to get with Bustamante, by people voting for McC and splitting the vote.
Cruz named his platform of more taxes "Tough Love".
129 posted on 09/25/2003 4:27:37 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: ambrose
"I got very little from the state GOP and was outspent by my opponent by 5 to 1," says McClintock. "Despite all that, I lost by less than 1 percent of the vote."

The dirty little fact the "unelectable" propagandist do not want you to know

Liberal republican that controlled party money pulled it to sink conservatives in 2002

130 posted on 09/25/2003 4:28:18 PM PDT by tophat9000 (The Boiled Toads are done! dig in!.....Sponsor by R-nulled Schwarz-Renegger)
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To: BunnySlippers
" ..and Newt Gingrich, and Ann Coulter, and George Schultz, and Milton Friedman and on and on ...."

Do they actually live in California?? I am only a California resident, what the hell do I know...
131 posted on 09/25/2003 4:28:46 PM PDT by ProtectorOfTwo (......)
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To: Spiff
Yawn, more misquotes and out of context quotes.

FYI Ann Coulter endorsed Schwazenegger a long time ago. You were quoting her out of context too.
132 posted on 09/25/2003 4:29:19 PM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion
"maybe "Tough Love" is in order. "

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Funny! That is exactly what we are going to get with Bustamante, by people voting for McC and splitting the vote.
Cruz named his platform of more taxes "Tough Love".




um...yes...I know...
133 posted on 09/25/2003 4:29:36 PM PDT by ProtectorOfTwo (......)
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To: massadvj
Total contempt for conservatives ? The Republicans ?
Jeez.
In the face of the liberal-democrat domination of California, this sectarian bickering is amazing. This is the way losers - political and otherwise - behave.
134 posted on 09/25/2003 4:29:36 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: BunnySlippers
They've all lost their minds.

If all of them had backed the only conservative in this race, Tom would be ahead.

Instead we've been sold out.

Ann for one has committed treason.
135 posted on 09/25/2003 4:30:22 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (Call upon God to move on our behalf...)
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To: fqued
Your statement implies far worse than Arny's position. Arny said that he uphold the second amendment, doesn't see any need for any more laws, but does believe (my words) that the present laws are not enforced, etc. Is he an absolutist on the 2nd amendment? In my opinion, no. But is he anti-2nd amendment? again, NO.

Well, well stated... thank you!

136 posted on 09/25/2003 4:30:24 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: FairOpinion
FYI Ann Coulter endorsed Schwazenegger a long time ago. You were quoting her out of context too.

When? Where? I never saw it. Even so, it doesn't change the fact that she considers his positions be liberal.

137 posted on 09/25/2003 4:31:29 PM PDT by Spiff (Have you committed one random act of thoughtcrime today?)
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To: ProtectorOfTwo
Don't worry about it. They're all RINOs ...
138 posted on 09/25/2003 4:31:36 PM PDT by BunnySlippers (I'm voting for Arnold. McClintock doesn't deserve my vote!)
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To: redlipstick
Funny how the worst Arnold bashers also despise Bush...
139 posted on 09/25/2003 4:32:01 PM PDT by Tamzee ("Big government sounds too much like sluggish socialism."......Arnold Schwarzenegger)
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To: EternalVigilance
you wrote: You are obviously naive about the issues relevant to the restoration and protection of our right to keep and bear arm--if you believe what you just wrote.

a very ironic ad hominem argument. Actually, I know precisely where the 2nd admendment comes from (being a legal historian of sorts, I know that it comes out of Blackstone's commentaries, and that he considered it a subsidiary of the rights to life, liberty, and property), what it originally meant, and the place it out to hold in our present society. I am also aware of the various ways that other countries deal with gun-control.

I, myself, and very pro-second amendment.

So, your ad hominem argument is way off base.

BUT, that is not the issue, the issue was your relatively incorrect statement about Arny and the 2nd amendment, and I addressed that based upon Arny's statements on Sean Hannity today. Your reply does not address facts, either in relation to Arny, or to me.
140 posted on 09/25/2003 4:32:28 PM PDT by fqued (facts are nasty little things, but that doesn't mean we should squash them)
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