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Assassin secretly deported after JFK killed
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 24, 2003

Posted on 09/24/2003 12:04:04 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

Just two days after the assassination of President John F. Kennedy, a suspected killer and known foreign terrorist was captured in Dallas, Texas.

The U.S. government was aware the man had received rigorous training in a foreign military and was a member of a covert paramilitary organization that already had murdered dozens, if not hundreds of people, including military officers, high ranking police officials and democratically elected politicians.


President Kennedy speaking in Fort Worth the morning of Nov. 22, 1963

Amazingly, according to the authors of an explosive new book promising to unravel the 40-year mystery of who killed JFK, there is no evidence to show he ever even was questioned about his presence in Dallas so soon after Kennedy's murder.

Instead, say co-authors Brad O'Leary and L.E. Seymour in the upcoming WND Books release "Triangle of Death," the man was picked up and quickly and quietly flown out of the United States under a cloak of secrecy.

Although the book has not yet been released to bookstores, it has already shot up to 218 on the Amazon chart just from initial pre-sales.

The story of the mysterious assassin is revealed in a CIA document backing the author's compelling argument that President Kennedy was killed Nov. 22, 1963, as the result of a massive conspiracy between the CIA-installed government of South Vietnam, the French global heroin syndicate and the New Orleans Mafia.

"This deportation, in fact, and the sinister man in question, have been the subject of repeated U.S. Justice Department investigations for more than three decades," the authors write, "investigations that have been deliberately withheld from the American public and the world."

The suspicious expulsion also never was reported to the Warren Commission, the official investigative body appointed by President Lyndon Johnson.

"This revelation can only be described as colossal in the realm of assassination research, and one would accordingly expect the league of Kennedy researchers to jump all over it, examine it to every degree, and then include its startling importance in the overall field of their work," O'Leary and Seymour write. "But that never happened."

The CIA document reveals the man was a French assassin – wanted by France for subversion – who was in Fort Worth on the morning of Nov. 22, 1963, and in Dallas in the afternoon.

On that morning, President Kennedy was in Forth Worth, giving a speech in front of the Hotel Texas. In the afternoon, in Dallas, he was shot to death.

Noting all U.S. deportations were executed by the Immigration and Naturalization Service, the authors ask: "Why would an authority of the United States Justice Department deport a known terrorist?"

One would believe, they write, that he would have been "apprehended and imprisoned, or at least sent back to France where the legal authorities there had already clearly deemed him an enemy of the state."

"But there's no evidence to suggest [he] was ever even questioned about his presence in Dallas so soon after Kennedy's murder."

The French, who believe he was expelled to either Mexico or Canada, identified him as a member of the right-wing extremist group, the OAS, Organisation de l'Armée Secrète, comprised of deserters from the French Army in opposition to President Charles de Gaulle's granting of independence to Algeria. The members of the "Secret Army" were involved in countless acts of terrorism and assassination.

"Triangle of Death" answers questions surrounding this previously dismissed episode and pieces it together with recently declassified federal documents, material supplied by the KGB, information from the Bonano crime family, documents obtained from a French court and the only interview done with a French witness previously only debriefed by the FBI and CIA.

As WorldNetDaily reported, newly released tapes of Johnson's telephone conversations also corroborate the central premise the book, showing the Kennedy White House did not merely tolerate or encourage the murder of its ally, South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem, but organized and executed it, writes Fox News White House correspondent James Rosen in the Weekly Standard.

Coup d'état

"Triangle of Death" – which includes details of a first-time-ever crime scene re-creation at Dealey Plaza – shows how Kennedy planned and developed the coup d'état that resulted in the political murders of the Catholic president, Diem, and his two brothers just 22 days before his death. The U.S. State Department suppressed this information for more than 30 years.


Evidence includes federal documents that only recently have been declassified or released – exclusively to the authors.

The authors reveal a Mafia chieftain, who employed Jack Ruby and Lee Harvey Oswald's uncle, confessed to federal officers he had been directly involved in Kennedy's murder.

In addition, O'Leary and Seymour recount how the United States and the Soviet Union both went on high military alert immediately after Kennedy's death, bringing the world to the brink of nuclear annihilation.

Other facts uncovered by the book include:

Two chapters of this book have already been used to make two different television specials – one on PBS and the other on the History Channel.

Co-author O'Leary, involved in politics for more than 25 years, publishes the O'Leary Report, one of the most influential publications in American politics. His clients have included more than 60 political and public figures, including Sen. John Tower and Texas Gov. John Connolly, who rode in Kennedy's car when he was shot. O'Leary also hosted his own radio show on NBC for seven years and was a contributing columnist for USA Today Weekend magazine. He currently is president of Associated Television News in Los Angeles.

O'Leary is available for media interviews through Shirley and Banister and Associates at (703) 739-5920.

His co-author, Seymour, is a free-lance writer and author of 15 novels, including "The Stickmen" and "Operator 'B'."

False claims?

O'Leary and Seymour note investigative bodies of the U.S. government have made numerous claims, including that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone assassin; that only two shots hit their target, that the bullets fired that day all came from the sixth floor of the Texas Schoolbook Depository; and that Kennedy was killed because he was preparing to pull all U.S. troops out of Vietnam.


The authors insist all of these claims are false and are designed to placate the American public and distract them from the facts of the case.

They acknowledge most readers will find it difficult to accept that Kennedy authorized the overthrow of the Catholic government of South Vietnam and the assassination of Diem, South Vietnam's democratically elected, constitutional president.

After all, Kennedy had generously pledged American troops, military equipment and tax dollars to protect South Vietnam from the threat of communism.

But the authors of "Triangle of Death" provide evidence Kennedy personally asked a high-ranking U.S. military officer to assassinate Diem, who was a political disaster-in-the-making for the president.

The events were set into motion when a Buddhist leader named Quang Duc calmly sat down in a Saigon street June 11, 1963, soaked himself with gasoline, lit a match and burned himself to death.

The news swept through the world, and when the full extent of Diem's brutality toward the Buddhists became apparent, America immediately began to ask itself the obvious questions, O'Leary and Seymour write: "Why is the U.S. supporting a foreign government that engages in religious persecution? Why is President Kennedy sending U.S. military personnel to help the government of a man who puts his own people into concentration camps?"

The authors point out: "Until then, America believed the increasing number of U.S. men and women being sent to South Vietnam – close to 15,000 by June 1963 – and the $1.2-million-per-day aid package were to help the South Vietnamese fight the deadly Vietcong. But literally overnight, the U.S. was internationally perceived as a bunch of buffoons who were propping up a tyrant."


South Vietnamese President Ngo Dinh Diem was assassinated Nov. 1, 1963

With the next U.S. presidential election just over a year away, they write, "Kennedy was infuriated; moreover, he and his political consultants were scared."

People "already believed that Kennedy had stolen the election, based on suspicious vote-counting in Illinois; a Catholic U.S. president supporting a Catholic fanatic who was intent on persecuting another religious group would provide them with all the ammunition they needed in November of '64."

The authors contend they have irrefutable evidence the Kennedy White House supported a coup d'etat against the government of South Vietnam and the assassination of President Diem.

"More than anything else," they write, "this was the rich ground in which a counter-conspiracy was planted, the conspiracy that led to President Kennedy's own assassination."


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: assassination; bookreview; conspiracy; grassyknoll; jfk; jfkassassination; jfkconspiracy; jfkkilled; kennedyassassination; tinfoil; triangleofdeath
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To: hoosiermama
Even some of the accounts allowed in the Warren Commission were from people who believed at least some of the shots came from the front. Many of those who had known Oswald believed it impossible he did it particularly since he had spoken to several of his high regard for Kennedy.

Thus, he had no internal motivation to kill JFK. And had he an internal motivation he would most likely have acknowledged the deed. Europeans immediately concluded it was a conspiracy.
101 posted on 09/26/2003 10:19:24 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
That is false, the scope was not "misaligned." It was not attached properly from the beginning and could NOT be properly aligned with shims being attached. Nor is is true the rifle was carelessly tossed aside according to the "evidence" submitted in the Report. It was alledgedly carefully hidden.

Perhaps you can tell me if the rifle was tested for recent fire after it was "found?" Or how accurate a quickly re-assembled dissassembled rifle's sight would be with no opportunity to re-calibrate it? Those who testified in the Warren Commission Report thought it would not be accurate at all.

There was nothing specifically wrong with the rifle but it was a piece of crap and even when working optimally was substandard. None of the experts could duplicate the shots Oswald supposedly made with it in the condition found.
102 posted on 09/26/2003 10:31:07 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: MHT
Well you can believe one of our resident WCR defenders, Shooter 2.5, or you can believe the quote from one of the world's greatest marksman.

This rifle was a piece of cheap crap, Italian army surplus for crying out loud. None of the experts could duplicate the shots in the required time because the bolt was so poor. They couldn't hit ANYTHING as it was found, only after repairs. Some feared to even fire it because of design defects congenital to the model.
103 posted on 09/26/2003 10:42:54 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: JohnHuang2
So funny that Uber-Lefty "idealists" like Chris Matthews uncritically adore Kennedy. Matthews is so distraught over us ousting a tryant in Iraq and lifting the sanctions on 24 million people, yet Kenendy's assassination attempts, Vietnam policy and other covert dirty deals are fogiven.

The Left is incoherent.
104 posted on 09/26/2003 10:52:25 PM PDT by faithincowboys (Defeat the Fifth Column Leftist Bastards)
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To: michaelt
The book about the alteration of the body is called "Best Evidence." It's a great book.
105 posted on 09/26/2003 11:01:06 PM PDT by 185JHP ( "This Train don't carry no scammers - no AlSharptons, no midnight ramblers - This Train.")
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To: MHT
http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/jfk8/mc.htm

The FBI was able to do it.
The NRA was able to do it.
A CBS news crew was able to do it.
And now I found out the District of Columbia Police was able to do it.

The list seems to be growing.

I'm waiting for a Boy Scout troop to do it. Too bad my son in no longer in the BSA.
106 posted on 09/27/2003 5:55:15 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
There is an indication the rifle did it's job in Oswald's hands. There is also an indication the rifle was misaligned after it was discovered by the authorities.

Oswald fired in 8.4 seconds. He could have taken longer for his first shot and not missed. He could have taken longer than 8.4 seconds.

There is an indicaton by Oswald's actions that he didn't calmly hide the rifle between the boxes gently enough to make sure it wouldn't be damaged in any way. Especially a rifle he would no longer own.

107 posted on 09/27/2003 6:15:29 AM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: aculeus
Your #46.

He is also responsible for Hurricane Isabel etc.

108 posted on 09/27/2003 6:25:24 AM PDT by verity
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To: everyone
NARA | JFK Assassination Records | Warren Commission Report Chapter 3
Address:http://www.archives.gov/research_room/jfk/warren_commission/warren_commission_report_chapter3.html


THE SHOT THAT MISSED

From the initial findings that (a) one shot passed through the President's neck and then most probably passed through the Governor's body, (b) a subsequent shot penetrated the President's head, (c) no other shot struck any part of the automobile, and (d) three shots were fired, it follows that one shot probably missed the car and its occupants. The evidence is inconclusive as to whether it was the first, second, or third shot which missed.



The First Shot

If the first shot missed, the assassin perhaps missed in an effort to fire a hurried shot before the President passed under the oak tree, or possibly he fired as the President passed under the tree and the tree obstructed his view. The bullet might have struck a portion of the tree and been completely deflected. On the other hand, the greatest cause for doubt that the first shot missed is the improbability that the same marksman who twice hit a moving target would be so inaccurate on the first and closest of his shots as to miss completely, not only the target, but the large automobile.


Some support for the contention that the first shot missed is found in the statement of Secret Service Agent Glen A. Bennett, stationed in the right rear seat of the President's follow-up car, who heard a sound like a firecracker as the motorcade proceeded down Elm Street. At that moment, Agent Bennett stated:
... I looked at the back of the President. I heard another firecracker noise and saw that shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head.337
Substantial weight may be given Bennett's observations. Although his formal statement was dated November 23, 1963, his notes indicate that he recorded what he saw and heard at 5:30 p.m., November 1963, on the airplane en route back to Washington, prior to the autopsy, when it was not yet known that the President had been hit in the back.338 It is possible, of course, that Bennett did not observe the hole in the President's back, which might have been there immediately after the first noise.


Governor Connally's testimony supports the view that the first shot missed, because he stated that he heard a shot, turned slightly to his right, and, as he started to turn back toward his left, was struck by the second bullet.339 He never saw the President during the shooting sequence, and it is entirely possible that he heard the missed shot and that both men were struck by the second bullet. Mrs. Connally testified that after the first shot she turned and saw the President's hands moving toward his throat, as seen in the films at frame 225.340

However, Mrs. Connally further stated that she thought her husband was hit immediately thereafter by the second bullet.341 If the same bullet struck both the President and the Governor, it is entirely possible that she saw the President's movements at the same time as she heard the second shot. Her testimony, therefore, does not preclude the possibility of the first shot having missed.
Other eyewitness testimony, however, supports the conclusion that the first of the shots fired hit the President. As discussed in chapter II, Special Agent Hill's testimony indicates that the President was hit by the first shot and that the head injury was caused by a second shot which followed about 5 seconds later. James W. Altgens, a photographer in Dallas for the Associated Press, had stationed himself on Elm Street opposite the Depository to take pictures of the passing motorcade. Altgens took a widely circulated photograph which showed President Kennedy reacting to the first of the two shots which hit him. (See Commission Exhibit No. 900, p. 113.) According to Altgens, he snapped the picture "almost simultaneously" with a shot which he is confident was the first one fired.342 Comparison of his photograph with the Zapruder film, however, revealed that Altgens took his picture at approximately the same moment as frame 255 of the movie, 30 to 45 frames (approximately 2 seconds) later than the point at which the President was shot in the neck.343 (See Commission Exhibit No. 901, p. 114.)


Another photographer, Phillip L. Willis, snapped a picture at a time which he also asserts was simultaneous with the first shot. Analysis of his photograph revealed that it was taken at approximately frame 210 of the Zapruder film, which was the approximate time of the shot that probably hit the President and the Governor. If Willis accurately recalled that there were no previous shots, this would be strong evidence that the first shot did not miss.344

If the first shot did not miss, there must be an explanation for Governor Connally's recollection that he was not hit by it. There was, conceivably, a delayed reaction between the time the bullet struck him and the time he realized that he was hit, despite the fact that the bullet struck a glancing blow to a rib and penetrated his wrist bone. The Governor did not even know that he had been struck in the wrist or in the thigh until he regained consciousness in the hospital the next day. Moreover, he testified that he did not hear what he thought was the second shot, although he did hear a subsequent shot which coincided with the shattering of the President's head.345 One possibility, therefore, would be a sequence in which the Governor heard the first shot, did not immediately feel the penetration of the bullet, then felt the delayed reaction of the impact on his back, later heard the shot which shattered the President's head, and then lost consciousness without hearing a third shot which might have occurred later.



The Second Shot

The possibility that the second shot missed is consistent with the elapsed time between the two shots that hit their mark. From the timing evidenced by the Zapruder films, there was an interval of from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds between the shot which struck President Kennedy's neck (between frames 210 to 225) and the shot which struck his head at frame 813.346 Since a minimum of 2.3 seconds must elapse between shots, a bullet could have been fired from the rifle and missed during this interval.347 This possibility was buttressed by the testimony of witnesses who claimed that the shots were evenly spaced, since a second shot occurring within an interval of approximately 5 seconds would have to be almost exactly midway in this period. If Altgens' recollection is correct that he snapped his picture at the same moment as he heard a shot, then it is possible that he heard a second shot which missed, since a shot fired 2.3 seconds before he took his picture at frame 255 could have hit the President at about frame 213. On the other hand, a substantial majority of the witnesses stated that the shots were not evenly spaced. Most witnesses recalled that the second and third shots were bunched together, although some believed that it was the first and second which were bunched.348 To the extent that reliance can be placed on recollection of witnesses as to the spacing of the shots, the testimony that the shots were not evenly spaced would militate against a second shot missing. Another factor arguing against the second shot missing is that the gunman would have been shooting at very near the minimum allowable time to have fired the three shots within 4.8 to 5.6 seconds, although it was entirely possible for him to have done so. (See ch. IV, pp. 188-194.)



The Third Shot

The last possibility, of course, is that it was the third shot which missed. This conclusion conforms most easily with the probability that the assassin would most likely have missed the farthest shot, particularly since there was an acceleration of the automobile after the shot which struck the President's head. The limousine also changed direction by following the curve to the right, whereas previously it had been proceeding in almost a straight line with a rifle protruding from the sixth-floor window of the Depository Building.
One must consider, however, the testimony of the witnesses who described the head shot as the concluding event in the assassination sequence. Illustrative is the testimony of Associated Press photographer Altgens, who had an excellent vantage point near the President's car. He recalled that the shot which hit the President's head "was the last shot--that much I will say with a great degree of certainty."349

On the other hand, Emmett J. Hudson, the grounds-keeper of Dealey Plaza, testified that from his position on Elm Street, midway between Houston Street and the Triple Underpass, he heard a third shot after the shot which hit the President in the head.350 In addition, Mrs. Kennedy's testimony indicated that neither the first nor the second shot missed. Immediately after the first noise she turned, because of the Governor's yell, and saw her husband raise his hand to his forehead. Then the second shot struck the President's head.

Some evidence suggested that a third shot may have entirely missed and hit the turf or street by the Triple Underpass. Royce G. Skelton, who watched the motorcade from the railroad bridge., testified that after two shots "the car came on down close to the Triple Underpass" and an additional shot "hit in the left front of the President's car on the cement."352 Skelton thought that there had been a total of four shots, either the third or fourth of which hit in the vicinity of the underpass.353 Dallas Patrolman J. W. Foster, who was also on the Triple Underpass, testified that a shot hit the turf near a manhole cover in the vicinity of the underpass.354 Examination of this area, however, disclosed no indication that a bullet struck at the locations indicated by Skelton or Foster.355

At a different location in Dealey Plaza, the evidence indicated that a bullet fragment did hit the street. James T. Tague, who got out of his car to watch the motorcade from a position between Commerce and Main Streets near the Triple Underpass, was hit on the cheek by an object during the shooting.356 Within a few minutes Tague reported this to Deputy Sheriff Eddy R. Walthers, who was examining the area to see if any bullets had struck the turf.357 Walthers immediately started to search where Tague had been standing and located a place on the south curb of Main Street where it appeared a bullet had hit the cement.358 According to Tague, "There was a mark quite obviously that was a bullet, and it was very fresh."359 In Tague's opinion, it was the second shot which caused the mark, since he thinks he heard the third shot after he was hit in the face.360 This incident appears to have been recorded in the contemporaneous report of Dallas Patrolman L. L. Hill, who radioed in around 12:40 p.m.: "I have one guy that was possibly hit by a richochet from the bullet off the concrete."361 Scientific examination of the mark on the south curb of Main Street by FBI experts disclosed metal smears which, "were spectrographically determined to be essentially lead with a trace of antimony."362 The mark on the curb could have originated from the lead core of a bullet but the absence of copper precluded "the possibility that the mark on the curbing section was made by an unmutilated military full metal-jacketed bullet such as the bullet from Governor Connally's stretcher."363
It is true that the noise of a subsequent shot might have been drowned out by the siren on the Secret Service follow-up car immediately after the head shot, or the dramatic effect of the head shot might have caused so much confusion that the memory of subsequent events was blurred.

Nevertheless, the preponderance of the eyewitness testimony that the head shot was the final shot must be weighed in any determination as to whether it was the third shot that missed. Even if it were caused by a bullet fragment, the mark on the south curb of Main Street cannot be identified conclusively with any of the three shots fired. Under the circumstances it might have come from the bullet which hit the President's head, or it might have been a product of the fragmentation of the missed shot upon hitting some other object in the area.364 Since he did not observe any of the shots striking the President, Tague's testimony that the second shot, rather than the third, caused the scratch on his cheek, does not assist in limiting the possibilities.
The wide range of possibilities and the existence of conflicting testimony, when coupled with the impossibility of scientific verification, precludes a conclusive finding by the Commission as to which shot missed.



TIME SPAN OF SHOTS

Witnesses at the assassination scene said that the shots were fired within a few seconds, with the general estimate being 5 to 6 seconds.365 That approximation was most probably based on the earlier publicized reports that the first shot struck the President in the neck, the second wounded the Governor and the third shattered the President's head, with the time span from the neck to the head shots on the President being approximately 5 seconds. As previously indicated, the time span between the shot entering the back of the President's neck and the bullet which shattered his skull was 4.8 to 5.6 seconds. If the second shot missed, then 4.8 to 5.6 seconds was the total time span of the shots. If either the first or third shots missed, then a minimum of 2.3 seconds (necessary to operate the rifle) must be added to the time span of the shots which hit, giving a minimum time of 7.1 to 7.9 seconds for the three shots. If more than 2.3 seconds elapsed between a shot that missed and one that hit, then the time span would be correspondingly increased.


CONCLUSION

Based on the evidence analyzed in this chapter, the Commission has concluded that the shots which killed President Kennedy and wounded Governor Connally were fired from the sixth-floor window at the southeast corner of the Texas School Book Depository Building. Two bullets probably caused all the wounds suffered by President Kennedy and Governor Connally. Since the preponderance of the evidence indicated that three shots were fired, the Commission concluded that one shot probably missed the Presidential limousine and its occupants, and that the three shots were fired in a time period ranging from approximately 4.8 to in excess of 7 seconds.
109 posted on 09/27/2003 7:26:56 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Oh boy, here we go again. The scope actually AIDED the shot since it was off up and to the right, in the direction the limo was moving. Furthermore the shots have been duplicated, and exceeded, in tests of Carcano's like Oswald's. Forget it, Oswald did it.
110 posted on 09/27/2003 11:21:08 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: All
NARA | JFK Assassination Records | Warren Commission Report Chapter 3
Address:http://www.archives.gov/research_room/jfk/warren_commission/warren_commission_report_chapter3.html


Refered lines in Chapter 3, as per the reference numbers..



-264- Examination of the Zapruder motion picture camera by the FBI established that 18.8 pictures or frames were taken each second, and therefore, the timing of certain events could be calculated by allowing 1/18.8 seconds for the action depicted from one frame to the next.
-264-


-266- Tests of the assassin's rifle disclosed that at least 2.8 seconds were required between shots.-266-


-346- The possibility that the second shot missed is consistent with the elapsed time between the two shots that hit their mark. From the timing evidenced by the Zapruder films, there was an interval of from 4.8 to 5.6 seconds between the shot which struck President Kennedy's neck (between frames 210 to 225) and the shot which struck his head at frame 813.
-346-


Lets see if the math works. -- There are 602 frames between 210 & 813..
- Whoops, must be a mis-print , -- let's try frame 313, which makes 103 frames...

-- 103 frames divided by 18.8 frames per second, equals 5.48 seconds, -- max time avail for two bolt cycles and 3 shots..

Thus, -- if shot #1 hits JFK's back at frame 210, then shot #2 misses, and shot #3 hits at frame 313 that equals 3 shots. -- 2.8 seconds for each bolt cycle/aim/fire; for a total of 5.6 seconds..

--- So ~whoops~ again, line 266 must have another mis-print, and really meant it takes 2.3 seconds to cycle the action, aim & fire.

---- Unless the 1st shot was taken, and missed, 43 frames [2.3 seconds] ~before~ frame 210, - at 173 -, when the limo was behind the tree.
-- Or, the 3rd shot missed completely, 2.3 seconds ~after~ JFK's head exploded.


It becomes apparent that shot #2 had to be the shot that 'missed' according to the Warren Reports own timeline, ~if~, big IF, the single bullet theory is to be considered convincing.

Which leaves the issue back in the laps of the re-creators of the actions taken.. Could LHO have aimed & fired 3 shots in 5.48 seconds?

Sounds like magic to me. Most real shooters over the years have agreed. The government/media re-enactments have been so staged as to be unconvincing.



111 posted on 09/27/2003 11:57:07 AM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Shooter 2.5
The scope was NOT misaligned, it was not attached properly. Certainly all the handling, traveling, disassembly, banging around, storing in several locations, being used as a hammer didn't help matters but IT COULD NOT BE ALIGNED at all due to the fact that the scope was attached incorrectly by Klein's. Certainly it had undergone far more rough handling in the year before the assassination than it did when Oswald
allegedly put it behind the boxes. But I suppose you just throw your rifles around as a matter of routine and expect them to be accurate without any calibration.

It is likely the shoots were in the interval of six seconds though NONE of the expert shooters were able to duplicate the shots with the rifle until it had been worked on and even then they didn't shoot at a moving target.

Defenders of the LoneNut theory have to stretch the time involved since it is recognized that it is impossible to make the shots in 6 seconds or less.
112 posted on 09/29/2003 12:53:24 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Riiight, that is why any true assassination conspiracies always look for crappy shooters to use crappy rifles with crappy scopes and crappy ammo since it just all cancels out and produces perfection. I just drag my rifles behind the car when I go hunting, doesn't everyone?

And no, the shots have never been duplicated with that rifle, among the crappiest ever made.
113 posted on 09/29/2003 12:57:26 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: JohnHuang2
This latest theory effectively fills out the full deck of cards and closes the loop, so to speak. It means that every sinister and clandestine organization on the face of the earth has now been linked to the death of JFK.

We have the Cubans, the Russians, the KGB, the CIA, the FBI, Lyndon Johnson, the New Orleans mafia, the Chicago mafia, the New York mafia, Nixon, the French heroin traffickers, the Vietnamese and all possible permutations and combinations of the above.

Somewhere out there, Michael Rivero watches, waits.....and carefully folds and shapes his tinfoil............

114 posted on 09/29/2003 1:14:34 PM PDT by marshmallow
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To: justshutupandtakeit
The scope was NOT misaligned, it was not attached properly.

Oh, really? So go ahead and explain how a scope has to be attached to a Carcano. Explain the difference between a Mauser and Carcano.

The fact that Oswald shot Kennedy two out of three times shows the rifle worked the way it was designed. The NRA and the FBI proved that. The scope could easily have been misaligned when it was hidden behind the boxes. Oswald didn't have the time to carefully lay a gun down that he would never see again.

115 posted on 09/29/2003 1:15:54 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: tpaine
There you go trying to mess with our minds by producing actual FACTS, what is the matter with you? This clearly puts you in the kook camp.
116 posted on 09/29/2003 1:18:48 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Notice how the kook camp is now insisting that the NRA and the FBI proved that the rifle worked the way it was designed, and that this in turn proves that Oswald shot Kennedy two out of three times.

Mindboggling absurdities.
117 posted on 09/29/2003 2:12:25 PM PDT by tpaine ( I'm trying to be Mr Nice Guy, but politics keep getting in me way. ArnieRino for Governator)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Please stop insulting our intelligence. Even your article admits that the actual rifle was too crappy to use. AND that the targets were stationary not moving. All the other tests have the same faults.

Let us know when there are tests with THAT rifle at moving targets. I won't be holding my breath
118 posted on 09/29/2003 2:54:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: tpaine
I particularly like the inability of ANYONE to be able to claim they ever saw him practice with the rifle OR or anyone to be able to claim they know where and when he got the ammo or that he EVER bought any at all. But my favorite is the willingness to accept the assumption "Oh, gee I have four bullets left. I think I will go shoot the president."

But, hey, you can be a LoneNutter too. Just ignore all inconvenient information, throw logic out the window and pretend all this happened within a socio-political vacuum.
119 posted on 09/29/2003 3:00:19 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: Shooter 2.5
As far as the scope attachment I am merely going by what I read from gun experts and the WC testimony of gun shop owners and the acknowledged inability of the FBI to use the sight as attached. It had to repair the improperly attached scope as best it could.

A Mauser was a German rifle first produced in the late 1800s and the Carcano was an imitation of that style of rifle as far as I know. But I am no gun expert and don't pretend to be. But the "design" of the rifle has little to do with this shot by this rifle by this shooter. The design of the Yugo may have been fine but that doesn't make it anything but a crappy car, same with the Carcano.

No one, not FBI not NRA, has duplicated those shots with that rifle so stop pretending otherwise.
120 posted on 09/29/2003 3:10:45 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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