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Legalization of drugs urged: Ex-police officer says 33-year-old 'war' is a failure
The Arizona Republic ^ | Sept. 21, 2003 | Judi Villa

Posted on 09/22/2003 10:07:00 AM PDT by MrLeRoy

Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

It sounds radical. Even more so when it comes from a former narcotics cop.

But Jack Cole, a retired detective lieutenant with the New Jersey State Police, says the nation's 33-year "war on drugs" is a failure and the only way to really save lives, reduce addiction and lessen crime is to make drugs legal.


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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
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To: Zack Nguyen
I seriously doubt that legalization will "keep it out of the hands of our children."

Not perfectly---but we aren't keeping drugs out of their hands now.

241 posted on 09/23/2003 10:44:03 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: Terriergal
It may have been at one time, but I'm not sure about that now.

There are other drugs like GHB that are going to be problems in the same way that weapons are problems in the hands of criminals.

I think caffeine is as strong as diet pills get nowadays.
242 posted on 09/23/2003 10:44:18 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Protagoras
"Possibly the correct question is; are you currently using illegal drugs?"

If you were my employer, you would have a right to know because it would be relevant.

You're not, you don't, and it isn't.

My interest in this board is in discussing the issues and being the wiser for it. That's all.

243 posted on 09/23/2003 11:02:27 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
My interest in this board is in discussing the issues and being the wiser for it. That's all.

Totally incorrect. Your purpose is pushing an agenda. And you don't mind lying about people to do so.

I have a right to know since you falsely accused me of being a drug user. It was despicable, and cowardly.

Now you are too cowardly to answer a simple question. Anyone who has never used illegal drugs while railing against them is proud to answer. It would be the easiest thing in the world to do for someone who professes what you do. The real reason is apparent.

244 posted on 09/23/2003 11:11:31 AM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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To: RamingtonStall
We need to Legalize Drugs and then turn the Tobacco Lawyers on to them.
Actually, I don't think they should wait until it's legalized. There's no time to waste....they should go after the current distributors. :eg:

-Eric

245 posted on 09/23/2003 11:16:34 AM PDT by E Rocc
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To: Protagoras
You say you're not a drug user, fine, I'll accept that. Then my statement wouldn't apply to you.
246 posted on 09/23/2003 11:16:42 AM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: TopQuark
Do you consider it strange if someone gives you a ten-minute task...

Related to the historical drug use per society prior to the 60's "hippies" and their drug culture..

Took me two minutes to read it.

Didn't mean to strain your abilities.

247 posted on 09/23/2003 11:22:13 AM PDT by KDD
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To: robertpaulsen
I don't care what you accept. You called me personally a drug user. It was despicable and cowardly and you owe me a personal apology as well as a confession elsewhere. I won't wait.

And we both know the real reason you won't answer.

248 posted on 09/23/2003 11:23:03 AM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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To: KDD
Related to the historical drug use I can see that. How, in your opinion, it is related? That is the question, which you have not even tried to address.

Took me two minutes to read it. I am delighted to hear that. And the relevance is...?

Didn't mean to strain your abilities. You assume to much. It appears you read too fast. Did you notice that the question was posed in general.

Once again: thank you for the background information.

249 posted on 09/23/2003 11:28:53 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: TopQuark
I can see that. How, in your opinion, it is related? That is the question, which you have not even tried to address

Prohibition ourlawed alcohol, which has been used en masse since times immemorial.

Statement per your #55.

Perhaps I misunderstood your contention.

250 posted on 09/23/2003 11:47:03 AM PDT by KDD
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To: KDD
Yes, it appears so. My point was explicated further in a subsequent post (if you care to look it up).
251 posted on 09/23/2003 11:51:19 AM PDT by TopQuark
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To: MrLeRoy
"No, but let's also not complacently trust it to make "laws that are of benefit to all of the governed."

It's not just a matter of trust. It's how things are supposed to work. One function of law is to keep us from tearing each other limb from limb, and so at least to some degree we participate in the establishment of laws that protect us from each other much as a parent uses his/her authority to rule over the household. These laws supposedly embody the will of the people and the result is very much like parenting to the extent that it keeps a curb on ill behavior.

Good heavens. It's just a vague analogy here. There are many similarities between a society governed by laws and a household governed by parents. Lighten up.

252 posted on 09/23/2003 12:19:08 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Fester Chugabrew
It's not just a matter of trust. It's how things are supposed to work.

To assume that the way things are supposed to work is the way things WILL work is trust---and a healthy mistrust of government is a cornerstone of conservatism.

One function of law is to keep us from tearing each other limb from limb

One person's drug use tears nobody else limb from limb.

253 posted on 09/23/2003 12:25:18 PM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: E Rocc
Eric,

I agree. The Feds have been wasting time and money using Police when some Blood Sucking Lawyers could do the job so much more effectively.

RamS
254 posted on 09/23/2003 12:52:00 PM PDT by RamingtonStall (Ride Hard and far! ..... and with GPS, Know where you are!)
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To: MrLeRoy
"To assume that the way things are supposed to work is the way things WILL work is trust---and a healthy mistrust of government is a cornerstone of conservatism."

When it comes down to it everything must operate with a certain amount of trust. In the case of goverment a certain amount of trust should be held in reserve, of course, but not to the point of utter disrespect. To say that the legislative will of the people should be regarded as completely untrustworthy is going too far.

But we digress. I'd like to see the "War on Drugs" removed from federal mandates and funding. I agree with the article that started this thread insofar as it recognizes both the failure of this "war" to produce good and the responsibility to treat the issue in a way that results in less harm to society in general.

Otherwise, unless you wish to remove yourself completely from under the constraints of the law, you'll have to deal with it's "parentage."

255 posted on 09/23/2003 1:52:41 PM PDT by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Protagoras
"You called me personally a drug user."

That's a lie. Re-read my post.

It was a hypothetical. You know what that is?

256 posted on 09/23/2003 1:56:42 PM PDT by robertpaulsen
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To: robertpaulsen
It was a hypothetical.

No it wasn't. It was a lie by you. Intentional as well.

257 posted on 09/23/2003 3:57:23 PM PDT by Protagoras (The only thing worse than drugs is the War on Drugs)
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